Countdown for Krakoa's downfall

[Chris0013]

Lord this thread.

"Krakoa colonized Otherworld"

I'm pretty sure Otherworld had a a civil war and the new guy in charge started **** with another country. Apocalypse made a deal with the previous leader and put them back in power for what he wanted which doesn't include ruling Otherworld.

"Xavier's mind controlling everyone"

Including the mutants who were on the other side of the galaxy when it was shown his telepathy range isn't infinite and somehow was still controlling everyone will dead?

Bruh.

"They don't need to do this (the Crucible) to get their powers back."

Yes. They do. That was the point of this issue.

No they don't. They put that in place so that random de-powered mutants would not just commit suicide believing they would be instantly resurrected. They could just as easily have gotten Kevorkian's assisted suicide machine set up and let a someone who wants their powers back die peacefully.

[Triniking1234]

No they don't.

nani?

They put that in place so that random de-powered mutants would not just commit suicide believing they would be instantly resurrected.

And since the Crucible is part of that system to prevent random suicides my "yes, they do" was correct.

They could just as easily have gotten Kevorkian's assisted suicide machine set up and let a someone who wants their powers back die peacefully.

Or instead of snuffing like a chicken before being sent to KFC, they could step in the ring with Apocalypse so he psychologically test them to (a) ensure the subject is ready to face death and (b) ensure the subject is ready to fight once they get their powers back.

Which was part of the point of the issue.

[Woozie]

One thing I just thought about.

Doesn't Mystique have the Mothervine code?

[SiegePerilous02]

THE FACT THAT SHE DIED.

Getting better doesn't change the fact that it was a pointlessly violent death after an extended beating.

The lengths Krakoa-fanbots go to just to excuse the glaring flaws in Hickman's nonsense is exhausting.

I think it being complicated, nuanced and requiring a lot of unpacking and debate means the writing is doing it's job and not nonsense. The lengths the anti-bots go to dismiss everything and not engage with is pretty exhausting too.

You can't have a rebirth without a death, either metaphorical or literal in this case. It's supposed to be weird, complex, controversial and a little uncomfortable...just like the X-Men. Why are people suddenly expecting clear cut black/white morality in this thing despite the fact the best stories are way more complex?

She knew she was going to die; the ritual, by having her fight to her last and not back down, is her fighting to live and thrive instead of committing a passive suicide. It's neither a assisted suicide or a murder, but something else entirely that doesn't have a real world equivalent to apply morality (some of it subjective) to.

[Chris0013]

nani?



And since the Crucible is part of that system to prevent random suicides my "yes, they do" was correct.



Or instead of snuffing like a chicken before being sent to KFC, they could step in the ring with Apocalypse so he psychologically test them to (a) ensure the subject is ready to face death and (b) ensure the subject is ready to fight once they get their powers back.

Which was part of the point of the issue.

Your argument was "Yes. They Do." As if there was no other way they could go about it. And their is. They could put together a list or do a lottery and when it is your turn you take a pill that will allow you to peacefully pass away and wake up in your new, cloned, powered body.

And if it is their birthright...why do they have to prove any of that. Maybe they just want their powers back and to go back to a peaceful life.

Krakoa is basically saying "If you aren't willing to fight for us then you don't deserve to have your powers back."

[Ferro]

No they don't. They put that in place so that random de-powered mutants would not just commit suicide believing they would be instantly resurrected. They could just as easily have gotten Kevorkian's assisted suicide machine set up and let a someone who wants their powers back die peacefully.

then the story would be boring worldbuilding witout any action that promotes suicide, that would be totaly evil and wrong.
There really isnt a way to aproach this in a way that would please people that focus only on ways to dislike the current status quo

[Triniking1234]

Your argument was "Yes. They Do." As if there was no other way they could go about it. And their is. They could put together a list or do a lottery and when it is your turn you take a pill that will allow you to peacefully pass away and wake up in your new, cloned, powered body.

And if it is their birthright...why do they have to prove any of that. Maybe they just want their powers back and to go back to a peaceful life.

I said "Yes" because the issue establishes The Crucible as part of their repowering ritual.
And your counter-argument is that the mutants are a bunch of softies who wouldn't jump at the chance to die in combat to get their gifts back.

[Ferro]

THE FACT THAT SHE DIED.

Getting better doesn't change the fact that it was a pointlessly violent death after an extended beating.

The lengths Krakoa-fanbots go to just to excuse the glaring flaws in Hickman's nonsense is exhausting.

she needs to die anyways, at least die in an interesting and truly METAL way that advances mutant culture towards their own non human ideals and perceptions

[Chris0013]

she needs to die anyways, at least die in an interesting and truly METAL way that advances mutant culture towards their own non human ideals and perceptions

How old was Melody anyway? Was she a legal adult or a minor? If a minor how does her mother feel about it...or since she is just a flatscan doe her opinion on her daughter being slaughtered in a public spectacle not matter??

What is the age limit on Crucible? Would they put a 12 year old thru it? Or would that be depended on their power?? Would a 12 year old with weak power be denied and a 12 year old with Polaris/Storm/Vulcan/Xavier level power be moved to the top of the list??

[Triniking1234]

Man, I know stretching is good exercise but take it easy.

[Ferro]

How old was Melody anyway? Was she a legal adult or a minor? If a minor how does her mother feel about it...or since she is just a flatscan doe her opinion on her daughter being slaughtered in a public spectacle not matter??

What is the age limit on Crucible? Would they put a 12 year old thru it? Or would that be depended on their power?? Would a 12 year old with weak power be denied and a 12 year old with Polaris/Storm/Vulcan/Xavier level power be moved to the top of the list??

eh how old were the x-teens when laurie got shot in the head and they had to kill some purifiers that invaded the mansion?
death doesnt care what age you are as a mutant, now they have control over it and can take power from it before their rebirth.

[Chris0013]

eh how old were the x-teens when laurie got shot in the head and they had to kill some purifiers that invaded the mansion?
death doesnt care what age you are as a mutant, now they have control over it and can take power from it before their rebirth.

An assault on the mansion and defending themselves are completely different than a ritualized blood sport to prove you are worthy of having your powers back.

[Ferro]

An assault on the mansion and defending themselves are completely different than a ritualized blood sport to prove you are worthy of having your powers back.

Missing the point, its an example of many how death preys on young mutants.
Doug and illyana, synch and skin, laurie and the bus, death is basicaly the only constant but now its not the end its a new start, its much more fascinating and exhilariting to see young mutants rise up from their deaths unlike before.

[Triniking1234]

An assault on the mansion and defending themselves are completely different than a ritualized blood sport to prove you are worthy of having your powers back.

Well yeah. The first is murder and the second is a choice.

[Nigel909]

Your argument was "Yes. They Do." As if there was no other way they could go about it. And their is. They could put together a list or do a lottery and when it is your turn you take a pill that will allow you to peacefully pass away and wake up in your new, cloned, powered body.

And if it is their birthright...why do they have to prove any of that. Maybe they just want their powers back and to go back to a peaceful life.

Krakoa is basically saying "If you aren't willing to fight for us then you don't deserve to have your powers back."

Not quite . Krakoa is saying " If you aren't willing to fight for us then you don't deserve to jump the queue ahead of the 16 million murdered " After all Aero was fit well and with a loving family.

It's rather like the warriors from the Orchis attack , earned the right to be brought back immediately .

Don't think about Jumbo Carnation !