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    One of the rarest futures ever seen in the MU (outside of 100% utopian ones) are ones where mutants are the majority or dominant on Earth. It's clear Marvel will never honor that, and isn't interested in making comics where the average person has three heads, or purple elephant skin, or tentacles for a face. This is probably another place where editorial's will is clear.
    There was Earth-X, where everybody on the planet got super powers (although they seemed to go back and forth as to whether that made them mutants, inhumans, or something else.) For the most part if was an interesting story but it also showed how quickly a planet where everyone has powers can get out of control.

    Oddly enough the X-men played a very small role. It seemed most of them basically went "oh hey! No more mutant persecution? Cool. I'm retiring."

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    I didn't say Krakoa was saying it, I was saying that was the attitude of the human supporters we were seeing recently. And "humans will go extinct and mutants will replace them" kind of goes against "humans and mutants work better together".
    What human supporters are doing that? Because the Order of X fetishizing mutants isn’t really support. Even Richards knows mutants are the next step.

    Quote Originally Posted by Metal Sphere View Post
    One of the rarest futures ever seen in the MU (outside of 100% utopian ones) are ones where mutants are the majority or dominant on Earth. It's clear Marvel will never honor that, and isn't interested in making comics where the average person has three heads, or purple elephant skin, or tentacles for a face. This is probably another place where editorial's will is clear.
    What do alt realities have to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scourge View Post
    It was a general statement, not specific to Hickman. Calm down, fanbots.
    I'd drop the "fanbot" stuff if you ever want anyone to take your statements seriously.

    Unless you'd rather be called an "anti-bot"?

    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    I'm not sure "we should all just accept that humans are inferior to our benevolent mutant overlords and will inevitably be replaced by them" is all that much better.
    But Krakoa isn't seeking to be overlords of anyone. And being replaced by descendants is the natural order of things. Mutants are the next step in human evolution, born from humans.

    It's like being upset that you will one day die and that your children and grandchildren will live on an inherit the Earth. It's the natural order of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    But Krakoa isn't seeking to be overlords of anyone.
    If it's true, where is the problem? But I heard about something called Otherworld…

    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    And being replaced by descendants is the natural order of things. Mutants are the next step in human evolution, born from humans.
    Could they wait that Granpa dies before taking his place?
    Brats…
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    But Krakoa isn't seeking to be overlords of anyone. And being replaced by descendants is the natural order of things. Mutants are the next step in human evolution, born from humans.

    It's like being upset that you will one day die and that your children and grandchildren will live on an inherit the Earth. It's the natural order of things.
    No, it's more like one day all Jewish people will die out and Muslim people will take there place. It's one group replacing the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    No, it's more like one day all Jewish people will die out and Muslim people will take there place. It's one group replacing the other.
    But the goal of the mutants is not to expedite the process unnaturally.

    Mankind should take it up with Mother Nature. They are two branches from the same tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    But the goal of the mutants is not to expedite the process unnaturally.

    Mankind should take it up with Mother Nature. They are two branches from the same tree.
    Like mutants and Homo Novissima?

    Also, Jewish people just happening to die out and be replaced by Muslims isn't really much better than being killed by the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    But the goal of the mutants is not to expedite the process unnaturally.

    Mankind should take it up with Mother Nature. They are two branches from the same tree.
    I don't understand your reasoning: if mutants' fate is to replace humans, fine, they will do.

    If they don't replace humans, that just means they weren't intented to replace humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris0013 View Post
    Ultragirl: He 'debut' was being attacked by a Sentinel publicly calling her a mutant. Aside from 1 nasty message on her voicemail "Get out of town, mutie scum!" The Hollywood publicity machine is clamoring after her to get her under contract to make money off her.
    Tsu-zana is also a KREE. So an alien invader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    I don't understand your reasoning: if mutants' fate is to replace humans, fine, they will do.

    If they don't replace humans, that just means they weren't intented to replace humans.
    I don't really understand your reasoning either.

    Humans are the ones reacting to the potential replacement by building death machines.

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    Mutants are literal children of humans and humans can be born from mutants, how can you replace two groups that belong to the same origin? Magneto´s parents were humans, Apocalypse´s parents also were human, so were Xavier´s, Scott´s, Jean´s, Wolverine´s, Emma´s etc. In reality is funny how in the MU humans think they can eliminate mutants by using killing robots, they would have to also kill all of humankind, which is kind of what they did by becoming part machine in one of Moira´s lives.

    Mastermold had the right idea XD "Mutants are humans, so humans have to be protected from themselves" that´s how the "Days of Future Past" timeline was born, robots took over for the "good of humankind" and humans they can´t blame them, because they were build that way by persons who expected machines to understand their prejuices.

    I see this situation akin to how sometimes prejuice is born inside a family because the childrens look more like the grandfather than their parents so of course "something" must be wrong, its something that used to happen a lot in latin american communities during the colonial era, given we are born from different races in one family there´s a lot of different genetic phenotypes even if they come from the same family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiegePerilous02 View Post
    I don't really understand your reasoning either.

    Humans are the ones reacting to the potential replacement by building death machines.
    Mutants didn't exactly decide M-Day meant that they should just patiently wait to go extinct through old age. I didn't see Reed Richards helping them out on that front when that was happening.

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    M-Day was a product of magic there´s no reason why they should not have try to change something that was unnatural and that had repercussions at different levels even in the multiverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucyinthesky View Post
    M-Day was a product of magic there´s no reason why they should not have try to change something that was unnatural and that had repercussions at different levels even in the multiverse.
    I'm just saying, Kavita Rao aside, I don't recall any human scientists that supposedly believe mutants are the future rushing to reverse M-Day.

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    Kavita Rao tried to help Beast reverse M-day as a way to make up for the cure, a cure that was a product of another planet, same with High Evolutionary, Doctor Strange tried to help, Reed Richards, etc the thing was that all of them were unable to reverse M-Day until the Phoenix Force came to earth, the PF is supposed to be the literal emboidment of creation, of life and dead, so it´s kind of telling it was interested in reactivating the mutant gen.
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