Countdown for Krakoa's downfall

[Ferro]

Quicksilver had the HoM idea, "No more mutants" was all Wanda.

I am not saying Magneto didn´t deserve what he got, that´s just the nature of comics, I am saying it´s fair that Wanda gets at least a little responsibility and blame for what she did given other characters have certainly gotten their part in consequences: Cyclops was hated by the X-men for a time and even called Hitler before being killed out of camera by terrigenesis, Jean got her entire family murdered over her previous relationship with the phoenix, magneto was killed or almost killed on Genosha, put in a coma after Fatal attractions, got depowered after HoM, beaten by Quicksivler in SoM and almost killed by Exodus and Logan after HoM.

Compared to that Wanda has had a very understanding coming back with the Avengers and the most mutants have done to her is name call her, which is like a slap on the wrist tbh and worse instead of doing a proper redemption arc for her marvel twisted itself into making the mutants or the X-men the antagonist in the story and that´s just unfair given they were the victim there.

I sympathize with the situation Wanda´s character was put by marvel editorial but this doesn´t change the fact that inside story the consequences Wanda has gotten over her actions have been minimal with a little slice of victim-blaming the mutants for something they had no control over.

lot of wanda fans got so upset at the mutants just calling her a name when it doesnt and will never affect her status as a hero, m day had no true effect on her since no consequences were actually delivered, she lost her avengers card for at best a couple of years but has regained everything and then some

[BroHomo]

They didn't do that at random, he was in the middle of an attack on humanity. Magneto's a pro-active villain, he wasn't raided in his compound watching tv by authorities. "Magneto war" had an EMP on the global scale, instant death. Magneto doesn't do warnings, he does murder and terrorism.

Dude I think you're totally mistaken, Magnetos EMP Killjoy happened during the Fatal Attractions storyline. His 2nd dip in the EMP pool was with the machine...which did create a wave that knocked out electronics in a certain vicinity but was not the atmosphere spliiting level of the first EMP...Kinda thinking this is the case...the FA EMP only coulda happened if Magneto was being boosted by Cortez. 2nd go round Cortez and Magneto werent cool so he need the machines yes, buuuut he sent this robot dude to give the UN his ultimatum while he was strapped in the machine. If the UN had not met his demands he woulda released the EMP.

If he had released another EMP he wouldn't have much leverage...

It's not a "warning shot" when planes fall out of sky on a global scale. Think about how many planes are in the air, pre-contravirus, and how many people are on them.

Right which is why Im not talking about the first EMP but the 2nd one. which only affected electronics, but either way...I'm not sure how many people died while from plane failure due to his first EMP, but I know its less than the number of mutants who depended on their power to survive died across the multiverse due to Wanda's spell. lol

What you've been doing is justifying magneto in circumstances that are good vs evil. Magneto may be complicated but he's monster. How are you judging the kill count? Apocalypse has destroyed the world in more than one time line. Terrorism and murder isn't justified because you think the other guys are worse. It's really not good to blame all of humanity for their monsters, it's like judging all mutant kind because Magneto's a violent psychopath with a kill count that dwarfs 9/11.

Annnnd Magneto was saving the world in that same timeline.... Soooo does that not count? In the HoM did you see concentration camps for Humans? Nope. On Genosha? Nope.

Right, what Magneto did was far worse. The canonicity of Wanda's power affecting the multiverse is hardly substantial. Magneto targeted everyone, even his own people. He didn't care that they would die in his schemes.

Okay Dude please show me a scan of Magneto releasing the 2nd EMP targeting every one on Earth. And Ill show you a scan that pretty much says Wandas spell affected the multiverse. I meeeean not matter how 'insubstantial' the claim may be. It is. It actually exists in print.

An EMP is not a warning a shot.

Right. Buuuut whatever he was doing the SECOND time around was.

And yeah can we stop acting like Magneto's body count in less than the humans? Not every death he's caused has been restrained or even justified and his victims have even included other Mutants at times.

I mean its less than Wanda's...Reed Richards....T'challa

Magneto and Wanda both used their substantial powers in a way that led to unintended negative consequences.

Wanda intentionally went after Mutants Magneto knocked out a system preventing him form escorting mutants To Avalon.....sigh yup totes the same.

[Zelena]

Let's be honest: if we have the power to erase the people we dislike just by speaking, there would be a lot of void around us…

Wanda has a lot of responsability because of the nature of her powers.
Now, it would be dishonest to say she was in her right mind when she uttered these three little words.

On the other hand, when Magneto does something bad, it is planned, thought.
Now, is he a very sane person? Not really, if you consider that all authors' hands he passed in… each one had a different vision of Magneto. He has at least a multi-disorder personality as a result.
So, I would avoid to take him in my government… Especially, if you want to appear as a peaceful state…

[BroHomo]

Let's be honest: if we have the power to erase the people we dislike just by speaking, there would be a lot of void around us…
state…

Um I watched Thst Twilight Zone episode ' The Field' at an early age. As should all Americans....so I was raised correctly

Wanda has a lot of responsability because of the nature of her powers.
Now, it would be dishonest to say she was in her right mind when she uttered these three little words.

It'd be dishonest to say she didn't cause her " lapse of sanity"

On the other hand, when Magneto does something bad, it is planned, thought.
state…

But not the loss of life his EMP caused

Now, is he a very sane person? Not really, if you consider that all authors' hands he passed in… each one had a different vision of Magneto. He has at least a multi-disorder personality as a result.
state…

Well that was that time Moira mucked around in his DNA

So, I would avoid to take him in my government… Especially, if you want to appear as a peaceful state…

And yet he has killed less people than T'challa, Dr Doom, and Namor. All three heads of States.

[Zelena]

It'd be dishonest to say she didn't cause her " lapse of sanity"

You can't say she woke one day and decided 'why not going insane? I will kill my teamates, it will be so fun…'

But not the loss of life his EMP caused

It usually begins with a plan with Magneto and it goes down the drain.
But I admit he's quite the relentless entrepreneur.

Um I watched Thst Twilight Zone episode ' The Field' at an early age. As should all Americans....so I was raised correctly

The ideal time to rewatch classics. Indeed…

[Outburstz]

I think some of you Wanda fans are forgetting the fact that Wanda didn't just depower the millions of mutants on Earth but the TRILLIONS of mutants in the multiverse

[BroHomo]

You can't say she woke one day and decided 'why not going insane? I will kill my teamates, it will be so fun…'

No but she pursued power that even an idiot could see might have put a strain on her psyche


Buuut speaking of wishing people away....

The ideal time to rewatch classics. Indeed…

lol I just watched it again Season 3 episode 8 'Its a Good Life' Gah I remember it scaring the sh!t outta me as a kid. I got a lil worried my lil brother might one day find he's in a similar situation.Id be totally boned. lol

[Alan2099]

I think some of you Wanda fans are forgetting the fact that Wanda didn't just depower the millions of mutants on Earth but the TRILLIONS of mutants in the multiverse

Nobody is forgetting it. It's just a plot point so stupid and unbelievable that we've all chosen to ignore it.

Much in the same way we ignore that all animal like mutants are a separate mutant species, that angels and demons were always just mutants that people mistook for angels and demons, that mutants can't get AIDS, and the entire existence of Romulous.

[BroHomo]

Magneto and Wanda both used their substantial powers in a way that led to unintended negative consequences.

Nobody is forgetting it. It's just a plot point so stupid and unbelievable that we've all chosen to ignore it.

Much in the same way we ignore that all animal like mutants are a separate mutant species, that angels and demons were always just mutants that people mistook for angels and demons, that mutants can't get AIDS, and the entire existence of Romulous.

Sooo basically the Austen-Era

lol true but
smdh lol

[Lucyinthesky]

You can't say she woke one day and decided 'why not going insane? I will kill my teamates, it will be so fun…

Given the avengers purposelly allowed Agatha to mess with her mind to make her lose the memory of her children I could see a litte unconscious hostility towards them, that powers like the beyonder could use to attack the avengers without her being completely aware of it, I even read a very well done article by a Wanda fan talking precisely of this, if anything the Avengers as a team really managed horribly the sitiation of both Wanda and Vision after they lost their kids. In children´s crusade Wanda admited she wanted to "punish the avengers" but didn´t get to say why she wanted to punish them but if we read the original story of her losing her children the reason it´s quite clear imo.

I am not saying she´s not symtathetic and had sympathetic reasons, I even liked her on Children´s crusade, I just can´t stand people talking as if she received such huge consequences or try to keep her out of getting any responsibility but this is also a problem I have with some other marvel characters.

[Ferro]

I really cant see as sympthathic since everything that has happened turns around to her mistakes anyways, and she has had 0 acountability or bad things happen to her, I just can't feel sorry

[Journey]

Wanda stopped caring because it became tedious their's nothing more to be done, AVX was her last ****, truthfully I can't blame her for that, everything that happened was during a psychotic break it's not that much different than the Phoenix induced Massacres the X-Men take turns committing. Even now their fixing the problem themselves why should she still give a ****?

[Ferro]

Wanda stopped caring because it became tedious their's nothing more to be done, AVX was her last ****, truthfully I can't blame her for that, everything that happened was during a psychotic break it's not that much different than the Phoenix induced Massacres the X-Men take turns committing. Even now their fixing the problem themselves why should she still give a ****?

and that's fine whatever she does, mutants will continue with their righteous grudge and name calling

[Zelena]

Given the avengers purposelly allowed Agatha to mess with her mind to make her lose the memory of her children I could see a litte unconscious hostility towards them, that powers like the beyonder could use to attack the avengers without her being completely aware of it, I even read a very well done article by a Wanda fan talking precisely of this, if anything the Avengers as a team really managed horribly the sitiation of both Wanda and Vision after they lost their kids. In children´s crusade Wanda admited she wanted to "punish the avengers" but didn´t get to say why she wanted to punish them but if we read the original story of her losing her children the reason it´s quite clear imo.

I am not saying she´s not symtathetic and had sympathetic reasons, I even liked her on Children´s crusade, I just can´t stand people talking as if she received such huge consequences or try to keep her out of getting any responsibility but this is also a problem I have with some other marvel characters.

Maybe, it's due to the nature of her powers: they can be long-range and in the case of M-day, they were. She didn't see the consequences of her actions immediately and after, only gradually.

When she had to face the hostility of the depowered mutants, she probably vaguely remembered the circumstances, if not.

The authors didn't seem to be interested to explore Wanda's feelings about something that belongs to the past. But the same could be said about Genosha: it has been almost an non-event.

[Journey]

and that's fine whatever she does, mutants will continue with their righteous grudge and name calling

That's fine too she clearly doesn't care.