Countdown for Krakoa's downfall

[Phoenixx9]

I’m going to put money on Wanda having some (probably unwitting) hand in whatever calamity is coming, because Marvel can be remarkably unimaginative

"No more Krakoa!"??? Uggh, I Hope not!

[loke13]

Actually it's already fallen, but not in the way you want.

It has fallen, because most of the main reasons Hickman gave for telling x-fans this was going to be a new, better and different have proven to be false. He promised to break the mold for X-men stories and dispense with tired always the victim storylines and put them in charge of their own future and reimagine the characters in order to portray them more realistically as super-powered human beings.

It only took a few issues for that to fade away to get replaced by more of the same ole same ole Mutant problems they have always faced.

Krakoa is basically just Xavier's school for gifted children expanded to include as much of the mutant population with a no difference that matter unless you are someone who thinks things like athree-way romance between Scott, wolverine and Jean was the edginess that was missing from the x-world of the past.

The dramatic forgiveness of all the bad guys, one of the reason given that Hickman's x-stories would be so different has quickly been nullified by the introduction of a entire new host of evil mutant characters, so much for mutant unity. He has repeated one of the biggest mistakes ever made by vastly expanding the number of mutants. Too many mutants was why we got the Cassandra Nova stories. Marvel realized having so many mutants all with similar powers had made it impossible to tell good stories.

Krakoa was supposed to become mutant safe space where they'd be able create a unique world of their own and be able to defend themselves from mutant-hating humans and enable writers to tell stories that didn't depend on mutants fighting humans like they've done for the last approx. 50 years. Yet within a few issues what did we get, "new" human threats appeared behaving exactly like all previous human threats with identical motivations, with one difference.

In the past enemies almost always had to figure out how to confront the x-men at their school, now it's their island, an island that is proving to be far less secure than any of their schools ever were. In the past it took truly powerful foes to pose threats to their schools despite being set in the middle of civilization.

Now even old women with a vicious, pro-environment, green agenda have no problem getting inside what was supposed to be the mutant island fortress. Every single new enemy seems to effortlessly break down and defeat the mutants best defenses in a few panels or pages. With the exception of Magneto, practically every mutant no matter how powerful is easily overcome by any half-assed human enemy. Kid Omega for all the claims he is a mutant with omega levels now seems incredibly easy to defeat and kill, hmm.

Then there is Krakoa itself. It isn't exactly a benevolent entity like Xavier portrayed. Krakoa with each appearance is looking more and more like it has its own agenda and is the one in actual control after it shut down the quiet council's efforts to close the gate to other world. Suddenly its own specific needs are above and beyond the needs of all the mutants it supposedly is protecting. And for Magneto and Xavier to buckle under instantly like they did was so strange.

Finally the mutants are no longer nice people as a whole. the writing crew and Hickman have eliminated one element that made many readers so sympathetic. Now mutants prove they are better than humans by how quickly all of them become and react like serious assholes for the littlest thing. Instead of thoughtfulness and consideration for the feelings of others, they have become pretentious people who barely can conceal their utter contempt for humans. In the past they were hurt by the rejection and hate. Now they feel insulted that inferior beings think they are as good as they are. One consequence of this is they've become interchangeable. What magneto says Xavier could say or Storm could say Etc. They no longer sound like actual individuals when they speak to each other.

They respect no humans, not even the most enlightened like the people of Wakanda or the FF.

The latest story where Storm steals the sword she needs because she didn't have time to wait was a classic example of the new hard-ass mutant who sticks to her lies even after she knows she made a mistake. She said she could not wait, but it what did she do when she returned to Krakoa with the sword? She sat down to WAIT with wolverine and majic until the other swordsmen claimed their swords. She could have asked the telepaths on the island to keep her abreast of how many were left to claim their sword while she was in Wakanda, but doing so would have shown needless concern for humans, why bother.

Bottom line is the biggest differences between all the old x-stories of the past and Hickman's new and different x-stories are that mutants are based on an island rather than a school or secret hideout, and that mutants as a whole are far more willing to justify being thoughtless assholes in the name of defending mutants. So much so, that it's hard to see them as good guys at all.

When you realize how different that it is from what Hickman promised, you also realize that Krakoa has already fallen.

??? Big misconception here but Hickman never said he was going to "break the mold" when it came to the X-Men. I'm not even sure how one would do that without fundamentally changing the themes that the X-Man were founded upon, it would be like Batman turning into Superman or Spider-Man into the Punisher. What human did say his intention was what to get the X-Men out of the rut that they've been stuck in for the past 10-15 years and get the X office to start pumping out good storytelling again. I'd say he's definitely accomplished that in one Fell Swoop he took the X-Men from being on the Run and an endangered species to giving them the wrong Nation their own government and world power. Mutants are still being persecuted in hunted that is correct but the X-Men are now operating from a place of power and influence on the world stage something that they've never had before

[Glio]

A bit different than suddenly all that shared history being thrown out. Mutants have (or had) plenty of non-mutant friends pre Hickman.

Have you never had a friend who has moved to another city and you only see him once in a while?

[gonnagiveittoya]

Have you never had a friend who has moved to another city and you only see him once in a while?

I didn't have a portal that led directly to the city he lived in and we didn't spontaneously become enemies and forget we were ever friends based on the circumstances

[Glio]

I didn't have a portal that led directly to the city he lived in and we didn't spontaneously become enemies and forget we were ever friends based on the circumstances

When have they forgotten that you were friends?

And yes, the mutants have a portal directly to NY but they no longer live in NY. It is a big difference. I have a friend who moved to a suburb and is too lazy to come downtown. It just happens.

[gonnagiveittoya]

That doesn't explain the way they talk about/to the humans they've known forever. It almost feels like the X-Book writers and the non-X book writers were given different notes about the status quo between humans and mutants.

[Glio]

Apart from the fateful 4F/X-Men series I don't even know what examples you are talking about. The only one who constantly interacts with the rest is Wolverine, as always.

[gonnagiveittoya]

There's Storm deciding that the Wakandans can't be trusted for literally a few hours to wait for Tchalla to talk to her

[Glio]

Or T'Challa deciding that he can't WhatsApp for five minutes to Storm while she has the fate of the world on her shoulders.

[gonnagiveittoya]

It's not like T'Challa is chilling in a hot tub with no other stuff to do. Storms supposed urgency is completely undermined when the other swordkeepers are basically playing parcheesi while they wait for everyone else

[Glio]

It's not like T'Challa is chilling in a hot tub with no other stuff to do. Storms supposed urgency is completely undermined when the other swordkeepers are basically playing parcheesi while they wait for everyone else

She didn't know and he didn't know. Is the classic misunderstanding.

[BroHomo]

There's Storm deciding that the Wakandans can't be trusted for literally a few hours to wait for Tchalla to talk to her

Sooooo this one example of one mutants relationship with some humans dictate how a whole nation of people will behave?

She didn't know and he didn't know. Is the classic misunderstanding.

lol Right??

[Glio]

Sooooo this one example of one mutants relationship with some humans dictate how a whole nation of people will behave?


lol Right??

It's frustrating to see something like the "Classic misunderstanding with McGuffin" being used in bad faith of which we've seen thousands in superhero comics.

[loke13]

It's frustrating to see something like the "Classic misunderstanding with McGuffin" being used in bad faith of which we've seen thousands in superhero comics.

I really don't understand why some people want to believe so hard that the X-Men are now human hating supervillains? Especially since that's like opposite was being portrayed in the books.

[Glio]

I really don't understand why some people want to believe so hard that the X-Men are now human hating supervillains? Especially since that's like opposite was being portrayed in the books.

There are people who feel discomfort when the X-Men move away from an ideology beyond "idealized and altered Martin Luther King after his death"