No, I paint classic fans with a brush because I know classic fans often have a different viewpoint and interests than new fans do, which is something many classic fans cannot do (which is again, clearly evident in your post with you unable to reflect that people can think that New 52 had good ideas and be okay with it.) Secondly, my post regarding classic fans having an issue with milestones (which again Dwayne McDuffie himself commented on) has very little to do with New 52, but with classic fans as a whole. You're the only one trying to create that parallel, it's like you can't understand that someone can be a classic fan and have no affiliation with new 52 at all, like Marvel doesn't have Classic Fans.
Sure dude, keep believing that false information as factual information all you want, that doesn't hold any water for me. You keep bringing examples of execution to try and hide the point that the ideas was the concept I was stating New 52 was issuing in regards to diversity, and that they succeeded on. I "specifically" called out POC Solo Titles as an prime example of their diversity push, it's not my fault you're so focused on arguing that you can't understand the original points I made and then make false assumptions of moving the goalpost when you can't even stick on the original topic to begin with.LOL. The proof is in the pudding. There were more diverse characters before the New 52 than there were after. That's a fact. You can try and dance around that all you want, but it isn't going to automatically make your point true. Also, you keep saying these characters were in limbo. They weren't. They were around. We saw them and read about them and then after the New 52, they were gone all of a sudden.
And our definition of diversity is not taking the most prominent character with a disability and forcing her back into being Batgirl because that was the "classic status quo" Dan Didio grew up with. Our definition of diversity is not erasing the only Asian Batgirl to ever exist or the only female Robin.
And again, how long did those solo series last? How well were they managed? Did Marc Bernardin not have to quit Static because of all the editorial mismanagement? Are Voodoo, Mr. Terrific, and Jaime Reyes still headlining their own solo series? And I bought every issue of Jaime's New 52 series. But guess what...his Pre-Flashpoint solo series was much better (and is remembered as such) and lasted longer.
Also, I've brought up examples of POC titles that existed before Flashpoint, which you then dismissed because they were "ensemble books." Talk about moving goalposts...
But the New 52 completely bungled it, is the point, because the reboot made a mess of everything. When you erase your entire universe, that tends to happen. It also, again, erased more characters of diversity than it created. If they were really interested in creating diversity, they could have, I dunno, launched solo series for Cassandra Cain or Connor Hawke or Icon. You know, established characters that people actually liked. However, they decided to either completely erase those characters or downplay them to the point of irrelevance. They also decided it would be better to turn Wally West into a stereotype to act as a prop in Barry Allen's white savior story. Tell me more about how that was a good move...
And Marvel did not receive the same backlash. Know how I know? Because Marvel didn't have to retcon Miles into being a completely separate character from the one he was introduced to be. Also, Miles is now a huge success. Can we say the same for NuWally?
You clearly do not know what you're talking about, because if you did, you'd know that during the initial Miles Morales release that the CBR receives threads with thousands of posts trying to trash Miles Morales before even the first issue appeared. It was so bad that the Ultimates Section of the thread got shut down temporarily to clean up all of the trolls coming in just to create accounts and trash Miles Morales. I was right in the thick of it, so I definitely remember the situation. But all of that got shut down because unlike DC, Marvel actually put the quality behind the book. Though that could be why DC higher Bendis, as we're already starting to see his successes with the series Naomi. So as I mentioned before, the same backlash DC received from New 52, Marvel got from Miles Morales, Mighty Thor, Wolverine, and ANAD in general. The main difference was that marvel on most counts were able to put out high quality books to shut up the classic fans talking trash about the characters. DC put out great ideas and then on most occasions tripped within the first few steps of the race.
It clearly "wasn't" a hard time to be a DC fan for some, and not others. That's the entire point, you're ignoring the fact that there have been people who clearly enjoyed the time of New 52, and thus it wasn't a hard time to be a DC fan for them. Continuously people keep responding to you and telling you that they enjoyed New 52 just so you can get it through your head that there are those that enjoyed New 52, and their opinion matters too. That doesn't mean some of the problems of New 52 didn't exist, as mentioned before, many will conclude that the execution was flawed on many occasions. But there were also gems under the New 52 and there were also some great ideas under New 52.It was a hard time to be a DC fan. The confusing timeline, the constant stories of editorial mismanagement, the behind-the-scenes clashes, writers being fired and then rehired and fired again, writers being announced on books and then quickly pulled off of those books before their very first issues had dropped, etc. That is a bad time to be a fan, whether you started with the New 52 or had been reading DC for 50 years.
You can explain it 2 million times, it doesn't change the fact that we have different degrees on what's considered a success. You believe a series that sells below a certain amount is a failure. I believe a POC solo book that can last longer than a year, especially a POC Solo series which regularly have more difficulties, is a success.Lol. Okay, that series itself lasted a year. But only a year. And then, with the relaunch (with a new writer, by the way), it still performed badly in sales. How many times does that need to be explained to you? If a series is selling 18k or 15k or less a month, that's not a successful series. That's a series that's barely breaking even.