The Trio (Buffyverse) Vs Doctor Strange and Tony Stark (MCU)

[KJS]

I never liked The Trio (Warren Mears, Andrew Wells and Jonathan Levinson) all that much, but they're often underestimated in terms of what they were collectively capable of with prep. They had a little bit of everything, really.

So, with a week's prep on both sides, how do they do in these scenarios:

1) Versus MCU Doctor Strange
2) Versus MCU Tony Stark
3) Versus Strange and Stark, if they succeed in beating them both individually.

[Steel Inquisitor]

They lose, badly.

[KJS]

They lose, badly.

[Sarcasm]Great answer.[/Sarcasm]

On what basis?

Collectively they can:

- Literally warp reality.
- Manipulate time.
- Control minds.
- Turn invisible.
- Hide from various forms of detection.
- Cause hallucinations.
- Summon demons to fight for them.
- Build robots to fight for them.
- Freeze targets in place.
- Obtain the means to possess superhuman physical attributes.
- Fly.

So, for example, how would Tony Stark deal with a situation in which the Trio were literally invisible, hidden from other forms of detection, had altered reality to make everyone worship them, made robot replacements that gave off their very life essence, then sent the robot replacements with an army of demons to the confrontation, while they hid, away from view and detection, and manipulated time around him to confuse him further?

Just wondering.

[Nik Hasta]

It's quite ironic that the first post in your thread that discusses how underestimates the Trio, drastically underestimates them.

That said, Tony with tech is definitely scary. What era tech is he playing with in this thread?

Does Strange have the Time Stone or not?

[KJS]

It's quite ironic that the first post in your thread that discusses how underestimates the Trio, drastically underestimates them.

I know, right? Ridiculously dismissive.

That said, Tony with tech is definitely scary. What era tech is he playing with in this thread?

Does Strange have the Time Stone or not?

Depends on the forum rules. It's as they are "as standard" - so if that's "most current", Tony has his most recent tech and Strange doesn't have the stone. But, as I say, I'm not sure on that.

[Steel Inquisitor]

I know, right? Ridiculously dismissive.

I've got replies like that myself to threads in Rumbles, many people aren't inserted in going into detail about fights. It happened so often I got used to it being the defect reaction. It's not personal.

[Steel Inquisitor]

[Sarcasm]Great answer.[/Sarcasm]

On what basis?

Collectively they can:

- Literally warp reality.
- Manipulate time.
- Control minds.
- Turn invisible.
- Hide from various forms of detection.
- Cause hallucinations.
- Summon demons to fight for them.
- Build robots to fight for them.
- Freeze targets in place.
- Obtain the means to possess superhuman physical attributes.
- Fly.

The demons, flight and robots are useless. How are the hallucinations?

Their super human device is inferior to Stark on a bad day, and is remarkably easy to shut down once the power source is discovered. Which Stark will figure out quickly.

Stark has access to multiple suits and AI's, as well. Which will distract them and their attacks are limited to one target, not whole areas.

The mind control are small devices that require the person to wear it. But they're not genius spies to make this work, and rarely employ proxies - they do the work themselves. They didn't make an entire army of soldiers or slaves when they had the chance, instead they stuck to small scale in a universe with less organised and super powered people to monitor and come down on them like the hammer of god when they make their presence known. The Initiative are a bunch of toddlers to SHIELD and the Avengers, and they would have nailed the Trio in a short period with their capabilities.

It's been too long since I saw their episodes, how effective were the reality warping, freezing and time manipulation? I remember the time device/spell being Groundhog Day for Buffy, and she broke it once she figured it out and she's not the genius MCU Tony is. I remember them freezing Willow, I don't think that would have stopped Tony long and it had to be thrown a short range by Warren. Unlike the Trio Dr. Stange and Stark don't need to get close to end them.

So, for example, how would Tony Stark deal with a situation in which the Trio were literally invisible, hidden from other forms of detection, had altered reality to make everyone worship them, made robot replacements that gave off their very life essence, then sent the robot replacements with an army of demons to the confrontation, while they hid, away from view and detection, and manipulated time around him to confuse him further?

Just wondering.

The Trio aren't that collectively dangerous. Adam is the biggest threat and his intelligence and his pragmatism and cut throat initiative but Stark is on a whole other level - even MCU Stark. If they were truly as dangerous as you thought they wouldn't have had so much trouble with Buffy or Dark! Willow. Every attack on Willow would be futile against Stark.


Whatever slight chances they have with Stark, which is minimal, is dropped to zero with Dr. Strange. All he has to do is shunt them to the Mirror Dimension and the fight is over. They have nothing to hurt Dr. Strange with.

[KJS]

The demons, flight and robots are useless. How are the hallucinations?

Their super human device is inferior to Stark on a bad day, and is remarkably easy to shut down once the power source is discovered. Which Stark will figure out quickly.

Stark has access to multiple suits and AI's, as well. Which will distract them and their attacks are limited to one target, not whole areas.

The mind control are small devices that require the person to wear it. But they're not genius spies to make this work, and rarely employ proxies - they do the work themselves. They didn't make an entire army of soldiers or slaves when they had the chance, instead they stuck to small scale in a universe with less organised and super powered people to monitor and come down on them like the hammer of god when they make their presence known. The Initiative are a bunch of toddlers to SHIELD and the Avengers, and they would have nailed the Trio in a short period with their capabilities.

It's been too long since I saw their episodes, how effective were the reality warping, freezing and time manipulation? I remember the time device/spell being Groundhog Day for Buffy, and she broke it once she figured it out and she's not the genius MCU Tony is. I remember them freezing Willow, I don't think that would have stopped Tony long and it had to be thrown a short range by Warren. Unlike the Trio Dr. Stange and Stark don't need to get close to end them.

The Trio aren't that collectively dangerous. Adam is the biggest threat and his intelligence and his pragmatism and cut throat initiative but Stark is on a whole other level - even MCU Stark. If they were truly as dangerous as you thought they wouldn't have had so much trouble with Buffy or Dark! Willow. Every attack on Willow would be futile against Stark.

Whatever slight chances they have with Stark, which is minimal, is dropped to zero with Dr. Strange. All he has to do is shunt them to the Mirror Dimension and the fight is over. They have nothing to hurt Dr. Strange with.

I'm a little concerned that you don't know enough about the trio to be answering this so dismissively.

There isn't a member called "Adam" and Jonathan's reality-warping, which you've forgotten about, is their most potent weapon. It literally made everyone adore him - and I'm struggling to see how even Strange, let alone Stark, would get around that if he cast the spell in question during prep.

The mind-control device didn't require anybody to wear it. It just let out a flash that put the target under their control.

The flight, demons and robots are hardly useless if they're in the sky, invisible and undetectable, while the robots that look exactly like them are on the ground, along with the demons, causing a distraction (if a distraction is even required, given the whole reality-warping issue).

The time device and spell were two different things. The device needed to be planted, so that's a no-go here. The spell didn't. It just needed to be cast.

They had trouble with Buffy etc through PIS. They aren't Rhino, whereby they're just "stupid". Warren was literally a genius. There's no PIS in Rumbles.

So I'll ask again. How does Tony Stark win this, if:

a) He's part of an environment in which a spell has been cast to make everyone worship the people he's meant to be fighting.
b) He's trapped in a time loop spell that would need to be figured out.
c) His opponents are in the sky and invisible/undetectable, boasting physical attributes above those of Buffy (which, while not overly impressive, would at least mean they'd be less susceptible to collateral type damage).
d) From the sky, whilst invisible, they dropped several mind-control devices onto the battle field, all of which flashed and got Tony under further control.
e) The opponents he actually sees are robot duplicates of his real opponents and an army of demons.

[The Arbiter]

Out of curiosity, how do you feel Stark would manage against the Trio KJS?

Invisible, undetectable, flying reality warpers with time manipulation abilities being pretty potent threats and all that.

[Powerboy]

It's been a long while since I've watched the episodes but I thought one of the most devastating things the Trio ever did was when they altered the rate of Buffy's passage through time so, basically, she was almost a statue for all practical purposes while everyone around her was a blur to her. It was kind of sad that, when it wore off, nobody was there trying to help her since it happened in a park, I think. You'd think someone would wonder why this poor girl is barely moving and that maybe they should call an ambulance. Ironically, the episode seemed to brush it off as some sort of parlor trick when it would be fatal had the Trio been trying to kill her at the time.

Granted Strange would likely be unaffected though it would totally work on Stark.

Then you've got Jonathan's reality warping, as you said. It wouldn't work in the arena but, with prep and this being a scenario, he may well just create a world where Stark and Strange worship him. I'm not sure if MCU Strange has feats of shrugging off mind control.

[The Arbiter]

It's been a long while since I've watched the episodes but I thought one of the most devastating things the Trio ever did was when they altered the rate of Buffy's passage through time so, basically, she was almost a statue for all practical purposes while everyone around her was a blur to her. It was kind of sad that, when it wore off, nobody was there trying to help her since it happened in a park, I think. You'd think someone would wonder why this poor girl is barely moving and that maybe they should call an ambulance. Ironically, the episode seemed to brush it off as some sort of parlor trick when it would be fatal had the Trio been trying to kill her at the time.

Granted Strange would likely be unaffected though it would totally work on Stark.

Then you've got Jonathan's reality warping, as you said. It wouldn't work in the arena but, with prep and this being a scenario, he may well just create a world where Stark and Strange worship him. I'm not sure if MCU Strange has feats of shrugging off mind control.

Why wouldn't a time loop work on Strange? He doesnt have the Stone for starters. Secondly, Kaecilius was channeling Dark Dimension energy so I dont think we can hand wave feats.

[jetengine]

The biggest thing in this thread is that we're supposed to take the Trio seriously yet they get their asses beaten by the scoobys (Dark willow really was overkill) ans Stark/Strange is on a whole other level

[choptop]

The biggest thing in this thread is that we're supposed to take the Trio seriously yet they get their asses beaten by the scoobys (Dark willow really was overkill) ans Stark/Strange is on a whole other level

It's called CIS/PIS

[Shellhead]

CIS, sure, but the trio was usually played for comic relief, which for practical purposes meant that their tech tended to be unstable and unreliable. That's a potential problem in a rumble.