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    Iger is one of the worst things to ever happen to the entertainment industry. He made MCU destroy the entire genre and reputation of SPH movies. He needs to stay retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvelgirl View Post
    Iger is one of the worst things to ever happen to the entertainment industry. He made MCU destroy the entire genre and reputation of SPH movies. He needs to stay retired.
    Before the MCU super-hero films weren't as beloved as a genre, now they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Before the MCU super-hero films weren't as beloved as a genre, now they are.
    Comic strips have been beloved and well respected since the 30s. A real genre to tell fiction, neo fiction, semi fiction, fictional realism. Iger and his MCU drone movies have done an excellent job to destroy this reputation. Super-hero films are hardly beloved today. Most of them are not cinema. Iger never cared about the MCU, all he saw was the money.

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    Lol not beloved, every measurable metric would say the MCU is beloved by a shit ton of people. Your clearly projecting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvelgirl View Post
    Comic strips have been beloved and well respected since the 30s. A real genre to tell fiction, neo fiction, semi fiction, fictional realism. Iger and his MCU drone movies have done an excellent job to destroy this reputation. Super-hero films are hardly beloved today. Most of them are not cinema. Iger never cared about the MCU, all he saw was the money.
    Thank You Avengers was trending on Twitter when Endgame came out so this argument is laughable. Also only old people don't think the MCU is Cinema or people who don't know what Cinema is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokerz79 View Post
    Thank You Avengers was trending on Twitter when Endgame came out so this argument is laughable. Also only old people don't think the MCU is Cinema or people who don't know what Cinema is.
    What does trending on twitter have to do with Iger's destructive decisions or Engdame been a straight up bad spoofy movie. Joker was hardly a masterpice. it was still superior to what Endgame was about, last year. That was cinema at very least that brought more good will to the genre than MCU has done in a combination of 24 movies.


    Quote Originally Posted by Midvillian1322 View Post
    Lol not beloved, every measurable metric would say the MCU is beloved by a shit ton of people. Your clearly projecting
    What measurable metric is out there. Lol. If you want to know the damage Iger has done to the MCU. Read his memoir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvelgirl View Post
    What measurable metric is out there. Lol.
    What measurable metric? Um, box office gross is the most obvious indication of popularity. There's also longevity of the franchise, critical and general audience reviews, etc. By no metric you can name is the MCU not beloved.

    But go ahead and tell us where exactly you're getting the idea that it's disliked from??

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80sbaby View Post
    What measurable metric? Um, box office gross is the most obvious indication of popularity. There's also longevity of the franchise, critical and general audience reviews, etc. By no metric you can name is the MCU not beloved.

    But go ahead and tell us where exactly you're getting the idea that it's disliked from??
    It's just hating on Disney, there's a bit of that going around these parts of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvelgirl View Post
    What does trending on twitter have to do with Iger's destructive decisions or Engdame been a straight up bad spoofy movie. Joker was hardly a masterpice. it was still superior to what Endgame was about, last year. That was cinema at very least that brought more good will to the genre than MCU has done in a combination of 24 movies.




    What measurable metric is out there. Lol. If you want to know the damage Iger has done to the MCU. Read his memoir.
    Its OK to personally dislike Endgame and the mcu, but all evidence suggests that both are beloved by large swaths of the population, including lots of comic book fans, including myself. But by all means, please present any evidence to the contrary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80sbaby View Post
    What measurable metric? Um, box office gross is the most obvious indication of popularity. There's also longevity of the franchise, critical and general audience reviews, etc. By no metric you can name is the MCU not beloved.

    But go ahead and tell us where exactly you're getting the idea that it's disliked from??

    What longevity are you talking about. The worst part about watching the Oscars was knowing not one single best picture nominee will ever had acknowledged Endgame in the same presence with their movies.

    Critical and general audience consumption of what they know are unintellectual spoofy superhero parodies was the final nail in the coffin of what Iger set out to do with the MCU. Read his book, He highlighted that in his book with friendlier words. Critics were either high or drunk when they got critical of mcu movies. They really should not have been uselessly praising those movies when it was destroying the genre severely.

    Iger wanted to make money. He has done that by killing MCU reputation as a serious platform to tell high art comic fiction.

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    How can something that is generating more interest in genre, and causing other companies to want to invest more money in developing their own similar genre properties be said to be destroying a genre?

    You really aren't making a whole lot of sense.

    It's okay not to like the overall tone of the Marvel movies, I'm not a huge fan myself (I didn't even see endgame in theaters) but there's a difference between personal taste and objective reality. The Avengers films and the MCU films in general are wildly popular and loved by an overwhelming majority of the general audience, which makes them successful. That's a flat fact and simply cannot be argued against. Now, you may not like them and you may see them as detrimental to getting films that appeal to what you think they should or could be...but that's an argument based on taste which isn't objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvelgirl View Post
    What longevity are you talking about. The worst part about watching the Oscars was knowing not one single best picture nominee will ever had acknowledged Endgame in the same presence with their movies.

    Critical and general audience consumption of what they know are unintellectual spoofy superhero parodies was the final nail in the coffin of what Iger set out to do with the MCU. Read his book, He highlighted that in his book with friendlier words. Critics were either high or drunk when they got critical of mcu movies. They really should not have been uselessly praising those movies when it was destroying the genre severely.

    Iger wanted to make money. He has done that by killing MCU reputation as a serious platform to tell high art comic fiction.
    The fact that the MCU has been around for a decade is longevity. Unless you can name another film series that has had the many consecutive hits for as long, or longer, a period? The Oscars have ZERO to do with popularity and you bringing them up shows you have no clue what you're talking about here. As for your thoughts on the critics' opinions, it's very clear you're projecting and claiming your subjective opinion as fact, which it isn't.

    The MCU never had a reputation as "high art," nor was that ever the intent of the franchise. And hat's not even what we were actually discussing. Nice try at moving the goal posts, though lol I also notice you haven't actually provided any evidence that the MCU isn't loved by the majority of people, either. But speaking with you on this is obviously going to be a waste of time.

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    To not like the MCU is one thing but to deny the impact it has had on film and the genre is showing an unbelievable amount of bias. Love it or hate it MCU films are universally liked and the longevity as well ticket sales are proof of that. Personally I'm part of the group that sees the MCU as one big advertisement for merchandise, licensing, theme parks, and cruises but the fact that those things are greatly adding to the bottom line further shows how well liked they have been. Additionally, let's not ignore the fact that the MCU has been so well received that rival studios are doing all they can to mimic their success. Right now, because of the MCU, the cbm genre is going through a renaissance similar to what western films did and what animation did in the late 80s through the late 90s. Neither western nor animation genres were ruined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 80sbaby View Post
    The fact that the MCU has been around for a decade is longevity. Unless you can name another film series that has had the many consecutive hits for as long, or longer, a period?
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    MCU has never gotten a chance to go away although their movies do go away after 4 months. Look at Endgame, by December 2019 no one cared about the film.

    The Oscars have ZERO to do with popularity and you bringing them up shows you have no clue what you're talking about here. As for your thoughts on the critics' opinions, it's very clear you're projecting and claiming your subjective opinion as fact, which it isn't.
    Why are you so taken away with popularity. What is popularity in a nutshell? Is this the same as appreciating an intellectual beautifully made film like 1917 and Parasite. It reminds me of Sparkly vampires fans 10 years ago arguing with Buffy/Lost Boys fans about vampires being so cool and popular like they never where before.


    Quote Originally Posted by 80sbaby View Post

    The MCU never had a reputation as "high art," nor was that ever the intent of the franchise. And hat's not even what we were actually discussing. Nice try at moving the goal posts, though lol I also notice you haven't actually provided any evidence that the MCU isn't loved by the majority of people, either. But speaking with you on this is obviously going to be a waste of time.
    Except some films were trying and actually succeeding to be the highest form of art you can ever do with comic books. Subtle cgi was no joke. Iger already knew this. he hesitated first to buy marvel because he was scared. Once he saw you can still make MCU spoofy and thick with more money. He never looked back. He is not a good figure for art of the business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvelgirl View Post
    MCU has never gotten a chance to go away although their movies do go away after 4 months. Look at Endgame, by December 2019 no one cared about the film.



    Why are you so taken away with popularity. What is popularity in a nutshell? Is this the same as appreciating an intellectual beautifully made film like 1917 and Parasite. It reminds me of Sparkly vampires fans 10 years ago arguing with Buffy/Lost Boys fans about vampires being so cool and popular like they never where before.




    Except some films were trying and actually succeeding to be the highest form of art you can ever do with comic books. Subtle cgi was no joke. Iger already knew this. he hesitated first to buy marvel because he was scared. Once he saw you can still make MCU spoofy and thick with more money. He never looked back. He is not a good figure for art of the business.
    Um, you are aware the reason they've never "went away" is because they're successful, right? Just because a film comes out, that doesn't mean everyone will go see it. This isn't a good point, at all lol

    This discussion has been about how beloved , or POPULAR the MCU is, duh.

    And no, none of the MCU films have really tried to be any form of "high art" nor has anyone affiliated with them ever claimed such. This is you projecting, again. And you STILL haven't given any evidence that these films aren't beloved...

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