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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    That's not true, a mutant family fell out of the sky when they lost their powers. Magmas boyfriend burnt to death in a volcano, in New X-men a mutant drowned those weren't retcons they occured in decimation straight after the event
    I was referring to House of M, where it's directly stated "they're not dead, they're just not mutants any more".

    Retcons can happen directly after the event that it occured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiccan View Post
    I do think M-Day is a big deal. It's absolutely horrible to depower mutants and take a way a part of them like that. I don't agree with the whole "powers or sexuality/race/whatever shouldn't matter!" thing. But I just don't think it's as bad as actually murdering others.

    I know that for Krakoa, death can be undone, so the depowering brings up a more complicated issue. But when it comes to the intent and the actual harm itself, it's not as bad, or at least it wasn't when it happened. So I find it a bit questionable that they're even telling stories about it to the kids, preying on their fear and anger and pride, and using that to promote the Crucible.
    they can also undo the depowerment. It's not really a big deal, just like dead isn't anymore

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    Scott being a speedo guy was the big reveal of this issue. Who would have known

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    Quote Originally Posted by legion_quest View Post
    No, I'm saying that is how they have always been written - that was Xavier's dream, take it, smile, hope for the better tomorrow and dont kill them back.

    I am saying this new story is a total 180 of that, old dream be damned, but that the new dream is being written as one that mirrors real world cults and extremism. How you view that new mentality is your own bag.
    It gets worse and worse .First they're expected to take abuse torture murder and genocide with "grace" , now they have to be a smile on their face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    I was referring to House of M, where it's directly stated "they're not dead, they're just not mutants any more".

    Retcons can happen directly after the event that it occured.
    New X-men wasn't a retcon it was a direct continuation of HoM 8. That wasn't referring to all mutants

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    Nevermind lol.

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    And another thing, no, Wanda wasn't in her right mind. She had just discovered that her brother had manipulated her and Magneto wasn't doing much better. Her children and husband were dead and everything was a lie and that's on top of her previous fragile state.

    But no, she is so much worse than Apocalypse and Sinister

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    She didn't wipe anyone out. She just took their powers.
    As has been posted here, and every other thread dealing with this situation, she absolutely caused deaths.

    And hey...”No more black people.” They won’t be dead. They’ll just be white, like decent, normal folks.

    “No more queers.” They won’t be dead, they’ll just be heterosexual, like decent, normal folks.

    That’s ok, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenixzero23 View Post
    The X-men and X-men fans are cool and forgiving with Apocalypse but Wanda is still seeing as a monster.
    Really weird.
    Difference is that Marvel never tried to say Apocalypse was a saint and the X-men fans arguing otherwise were whiny assholes that should just shut up and accept whatever Marvel wants them to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    And then got immmediatly retconned that thousands of mutants died because of that, even though House of M established that no mutants died when they lost their powers.
    Was it really retconned or just a continuation of the story and showing us the ramifications of the 'No More Mutants' statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by starduck View Post
    Scott being a speedo guy was the big reveal of this issue. Who would have known
    And Logan saying he wants to see it.

    Can't believe the X-Board isn't just ignoring the actual plot and focusing on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starduck View Post
    Scott being a speedo guy was the big reveal of this issue. Who would have known
    He's got the ass for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinderel View Post
    Gandhi was not single-handedly responsible for Indian freedom from colonial oppression. There were violent revolutionaries battling the British, and without them, Gandhi would have Ben a nice distraction, but not an end.
    I know quite a few Hindu's that would disagree with you. On religious terms.

    And that all is without even mentioning that Xavier’s dream was, ultimately, passive. “Take it and smile” is not how you win acceptance. For all that Gandhi as nonviolent, he was absolutely NOT passive. He was not content to wait for the British to get bored and go away. Nor was he hoping that eventually the British would come to see the Indian people as having value. He wanted them gone, and he used non-violent tactics to make colonial oppression cost more than it profited.

    So, not a terribly good example...
    Wasn't Xavier calling out various misdeeds, revealing hidden conspiracies, and using his wealth and influence to combat it? The X-Men didn't exactly stand still so the Sentinels could get a clear shot at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    wanda literally will never face any consequences for her actions since shes priveledged as all sin, words that reflect the crushing trauma and fear of her actions wont actually hurt her, since in uncanny avengers she deadass says she doesnt care about mutants, even in her solo she wishes agatha told her not to worry about mutants because mags was not her dad
    She got "killed" by Rogue, the fact that after 15 years of her story characters are still talking about this shows that there is consequences.

    Scott might be blamed for Charles death (from his fellow X-Men as well) yet ultimately there is no everlasting consequence on him or almost any other character, Human and Mutant alike.

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    THIS WAS BEAUTIFUL.

    Also, it’s very telling seeing the same people decry our mutant ascension week after week.
    Pretenders!

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