X-Men #7 SPOILERS

[Rosebunse]

The key is that it's coming from Apocolypse. Do we trust him? Is he a little too in his element here? The whole point of the issue was to cross lines, and we shouldn't be shocked that some folks will be super creeped out by the process.

Wouldn't shock me if we end up seeing two or more factions of mutants out of this. Getting to be a bit Lord of the Flies.

The people to watch are Logan and Scott, especially after this issue and the fact that we do have Logan on a nonmutant team coming up.

I do believe that the current Avengers issue has some definite foreshadowing for the X-Men, especially with Steve Rogers seemingly trying pollen for some reason.

[Rosebunse]

explain, what are the references?

Well, we have that time-travel page.

For one, we know that pollen is taken theough the eye and we also have Logan involved. And we have Aaron's cryptic tweets that specifically mention Steve Rogers. Things are leading up to some sort of stand-off.

[People Of The Earth]

Oh well. There will be no agreement on the Crucible thing I guess lol

Trust and Apocalypse Don't belong in the same sentence.
Zealotry, trial by combat and X-Men shouldn't either, yet here we are.

[Ferro]

Well, we have that time-travel page.

For one, we know that pollen is taken theough the eye and we also have Logan involved. And we have Aaron's cryptic tweets that specifically mention Steve Rogers. Things are leading up to some sort of stand-off.

.... okay how does that relate to krakoa?
polen from what?

[Rosebunse]

.... okay how does that relate to krakoa?
polen from what?

The pollen drug from Wolverine #1?

You see, this is why they should have called it something other than "pollen."

[Tenebrae]

Is the new $5 cover price going to be a regular thing?

I think this was considered a deluxe issue so it was a bit more expensive.

[Ferro]

The pollen drug from Wolverine #1?

You see, this is why they should have called it something other than "pollen."

what exact issue does steve do that?

[JB]

You can try to rationalize it this way, but that's not what parenting is about.

I think it's safe to say there are billions of opinions on what "parenting is about".

The connection is so interesting. As I've said before, I'm pretty sure Nightcrawler will do something like Dr Strange's Black Priests and they'll be another group of enemies.

Right on. Just when I thought I had enough intrigue, Hickman throws more at me.

[Rosebunse]

what exact issue does steve do that?

It was just in Avengers #31 out yesterday. It was more of a "vision" thing of the future. Not the greatest issue, but I enjoyed it.

[myownlittleusername]

The key is that it's coming from Apocolypse. Do we trust him?

Isn't he generally pretty straightforward? Not much for lies and subterfuge.

[PeterParked]

I never said she was forced to participate, I just said it was messed up to see her die like this in front of Krakoa and that I wondered what's going to be the consequences on the long term for those who went through this crucible especially the psychological trauma that could come with it.

The main idea of the issue, and one of the main ideas of the run, is that Krakoa poses issues that are very hard or even impossible to solve while keeping a moral high ground. As they state in the issue the Crucible is not a solution to the mutant decimation by Wanda, but a solution to the potential problem of having hundreds of thousands of people randomly starting committing suicide to get their powers back. They also say how it would be a problem for the 5 because it would add a lot to their workload. Making the thing into a ritual allows them to pace it and requires that people give to it more consideration. That is not ideal is the point of the story I think, it’s practical and they have to do it this way to avoid worse consequences but it’s morally questionable. I also think this is something that Hickman always does when writing at Marvel, where readers are generally more opinionated and polarized than say an indie comic book, he put at the center a moral dilemma that will split the audience in 2 and generate a lot of discussion and debate. Like the killing another universe to save yours, from his Avengers’ run. It pays to have an audience of pro and anti Krakoa readers more than and audience that shares the same opinion, even if positive.

[Nigel909]

Oh c'mon he was saying it to pump her up. If your personal trainer screams at you you consider that bullying?

Don't know about bullying but it he shouted at me he might get a second chance .If he screamed at me he'd be sacked.

[Su_Whisterfield]

This is a good point. It's a huge shift...especially for him to talk about "starting a mutant religion." It echoes other seismic character shifts in other X-Peoples since this run began. At first it seemed like them realizing that who they were was not who they needed to be...but it really seems to me to be beyond that. Something else is going on....like maybe some Omega level mutant psychic with an amplifier on his head is getting exactly what he needs from each of them while suppressing the more bothersome aspects of their identity.

Kurt has never been an orthodox Catholic.
His Romani and nomadic upbringing means he would have been to many different churches, across Europe, depending on where the circus was. I wonder if he was Confirmed? Pretty sure Romani Catholic’s would have had him baptised pronto.
But I agree, setting up a religion is A Big Thing. A big character change. Certainly an interesting one.
I’m sure he’ll try to set up a good religion... but you know it’s going to end up in tears.

[Su_Whisterfield]

This thread is already massive, so apologies if this has already been brought up, but did anyone else notice that Melodie's sword is shaped similarly to Kurt's tower?

What, you don’t have a couple of hours free to peruse the whole thread shame on you!
Indeed, the motif is recurring in the books.
Which will Mean Something.

[Glio]

What, you don’t have a couple of hours free to peruse the whole thread shame on you!
Indeed, the motif is recurring in the books.
Which will Mean Something.

Is it not in some way the same division in the middle of the X of the new logo design?