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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Point to the scan where it said all mutants were depowered and not a single one died. It's not a retcon at all

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    Wanda depowered 15 million of the 16 million dead mutanys in Necrosha. Hence why Selene only resurrected 1 million who had their xgene still

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    Quote Originally Posted by legion_quest View Post
    Wanda didnt commit genocide, Cassandra Nova did.
    Article II

    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    Killing members of the group;
    Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
    Ahem.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    if cassandra nova shows up the x-men will pull up to murder her, wanda is a tale of a human that commited a genocide and is a super hero.
    wich one do you think is scarier? the monster the x-men can deal with, or the other who enjoys the priveledges of her humanity to absolve her of her crimes?
    Shameless retcon must be judged properly.

    She was a mutant when that happen, there wasnt any human crime narrative with House of M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spirit2011 View Post
    I can't wait for Apocalypse and Sinister turn heel on them
    It's gonna be so beautiful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel909 View Post
    Was it ever explained why Wandas attack wasn't 100% effective ? Why a few hundred survied?
    Weird thing to go into after the ass comment, but no. It was random chance and maybe some of them being above her power level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    Yeah no, that does not say none of those depowered died. In fact that scene blends directly into New X-Men showing Emma sense the death of hydro in that very room

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    I know quite a few Hindu's that would disagree with you. On religious terms.



    Wasn't Xavier calling out various misdeeds, revealing hidden conspiracies, and using his wealth and influence to combat it? The X-Men didn't exactly stand still so the Sentinels could get a clear shot at them.
    I don’t care about religious terms. I care about reality. The reality is, Gandhi was PART of the solution to getting the British out. He did not accomplish it alone, and he did not accomplish ANYTHING by “taking it and smiling”.

    As for Xavier calling out people, etc, that’s all well and good, but without ACTUAL revolutionaries like Magneto (for good or ill) and later on, Scott’s X-Men, the state of the mutant people would be nil. Without people willing to FIGHT oppression (instead of fighting for the oppressor, even as they work to destroy you and your family, and plot to experiment on your children...), the dream of one day not being oppressed is worthless. It might do your soul good to hold tightly to it, but it doesn’t do a thing for your people or their future. Not without force. Gay rights would never have gone anywhere without Marsha P. Johnson and Harvey Milk, and the Pink Panthers and ACT UP. Famous queers before that - people like Quentin Crisp - we’re advising gay people to ‘smile and take it’, and nothing changed. Only when we united and stood up - even if we still in fight and bicker amongst ourselves - and refused to allow ourselves to be freely victimized and oppressed did things begin to change.

    No one is calling for mutants to wage war or commit ‘reverse genocide’. But seeing them no longer allowing their oppressors to define their existence is cathartic as hell for me, and many others who have BEEN oppressed, who have BEEN abused for the sin of being ‘not normal’, and the sin of not ‘taking it and smiling’.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Yeah no, that does not say none of those depowered died. In fact that scene blends directly into New X-Men showing Emma sense the death of hydro in that very room
    Which was a retcon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    Lmao are you misreading what is written on purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Wanda depowered 15 million of the 16 million dead mutanys in Necrosha. Hence why Selene only resurrected 1 million who had their xgene still
    How? Weren't they dead when she did that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordUltimus View Post
    Which was a retcon.
    No you are misreading what is on that panel. Which does not say what you think it says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev9 View Post
    Bingo, plus although everyone gets to look the other way but since we are talking about resurrection,Selene should be banished from Krakoa,she resurrected those killed by Nova just to sacrifice them for herself.People twist themselves in pretzels trying to make mutants of her ilk somehow anomalies
    In Krakoa, power defines who is and who isn't a mutant.
    Depowered mutants aren't considered proper mutant.
    A fate worse than death it seems, hence why you see Selene strutting around Krakoa, Magneto idolized by the common folks and Apocalypse give grand speeches about sapiens and those like them, whilst Wanda is the boogeyman of mutant children.
    THAT is the superior society the Kraked are building for themselves.
    "The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
    Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."


    "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

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    Quote Originally Posted by zinderel View Post
    I don’t care about religious terms. I care about reality. The reality is, Gandhi was PART of the solution to getting the British out. He did not accomplish it alone, and he did not accomplish ANYTHING by “taking it and smiling”.

    As for Xavier calling out people, etc, that’s all well and good, but without A TUAL revolutionaries like Magneto (for good or ill) and later on, Scott’s X-Men, the state of the mutant people would be nil. Without people willing to FIGHT, the dream is worthless. It might do your soul good to hold tightly to it, but it doesn’t do a thing for your people without force.

    No one is calling for mutants to wage war or commit ‘reverse genocide’. But seeing them no longer allowing their oppressors to define their existence is cathartic as hell for me, and many others who have BEEN oppressed, who have BEEN abused for the sin of being ‘not normal’, and the sin of not ‘taking it and smiling’.
    So the X-Men never destroyed Sentinel factories or fought against the Friends of Humanity and various other groups trying to wipe them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starduck View Post
    How? Weren't they dead when she did that?
    She deleted their x-gene from their corpses confirmed in Necrosha and Endangered species so she desecrated corpses too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jbenito View Post
    The fact that this keeps coming up makes it clear that Hickman will address it in some way. Wanda's spell did lead to the uprising of many humans intent on killing the remaining mutants and we all saw the nasty, bloody road that led to. That's actually when I left the books for a little bit because I didn't like the hopelessness of it all.

    Unfortunately the source of this was an ally and in many cases, a friend/family member. And the truth is, there's no guarantee that she wouldn't snap again (or be influenced by an outsider). That's why I understand the fear and it will be interesting to see how Hickman handles this.
    I heard she was living a happy life far away from mutants… Why would she want to be involved again with mutant business?

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