X-Men #7 SPOILERS

[TooFlyToFail]

Lorna isnt being called the pretender tho?
and you gotta understand that its meant to be strange and alien because it is, mutants dont have the same relantionship normal humans have with death, you. cant focus only on the duel, you need to take into account the rebirth as well.
Melody had agency the whole time.

I'm talking Wanda. He raised her.

Also when it comes to mass suicide to be resurrected, why is that an issue at all?

[Ferro]

It's coercion thru emotional manipulation. Why must she earn the right to get her god given powers back? It's hypocritical of everyone else to just let this happen. Mass suicide is a one time issue, because of the resurrect protocols, but they want you devoted to them with your powers.

It's the reason why they won't resurrect precogs, because they're powers give them insight and that insight will not keep them loyal. The fact that so few question the lack of precogs speaks of TP manipulation.

what happens to their mental state after its months to their ressurection because the list is so long? what happens when they perhaps didnt think their mutant status trough and are now unhappy with their choice?

[Ferro]

I'm talking Wanda. He raised her.

Also when it comes to mass suicide to be resurrected, why is that an issue at all?

he literaly meet her while she and pietro when they were already grown, they stayed with him a couple of abusive times, and then they schedaddledd to the avengers where they lived their entire lives as with minimal contact or affection to magneto

[TooFlyToFail]

and also notice melody is killed and immediatly raised back,its a very short process compared to most ressurections we saw that have a period of confusion.
Its a special treatment

What are you talking about? They just fast forward what we already know. They skipped past Xavier updating her brain.

[numberthirty]

It's coercion thru emotional manipulation. Why must she earn the right to get her god given powers back? It's hypocritical of everyone else to just let this happen. Mass suicide is a one time issue, because of the resurrect protocols, but they want you devoted to them with your powers.

It's the reason why they won't resurrect precogs, because they're powers give them insight and that insight will not keep them loyal. The fact that so few question the lack of precogs speaks of TP manipulation.

Again, for the simplest reason possible.

On the one hand, you are trying to make the case for how bad this is.

On the other hand, you are essentially saying "No Big Whoop. They Can All Be Brought Back..."

Being able to avoid mutants who have been stripped of their powers is the entire point. Likely mass suicides(not to mention the psychological aftermath of those suicides...) are easily worse than one woman being killed and brought back.

[Ferro]

What are you talking about? They just fast forward what we already know. They skipped past Xavier updating her brain.

but its probably a matter of hours? not days, weeks or months as we have seen for some other protocols, since everyone that was gathered in the arena was in the ressurection spot and scott and kurt were finishing their conversation.
Its a clearly special situation for her ressurection

[numberthirty]

I'm talking Wanda. He raised her.

Also when it comes to mass suicide to be resurrected, why is that an issue at all?

Simple.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. You have to ignore the potential emotional toll on everyone else to even pose the question.

[TooFlyToFail]

what happens to their mental state after its months to their ressurection because the list is so long? what happens when they perhaps didnt think their mutant status trough and are now unhappy with their choice?

Those that want to be mutants will kill themselves, while those that don't won't. Simple.

What mental state are you talking about, they'd be death with their memories backed up by Xavier. Also, what if they're unhappy after becoming a mutant again? Well that's Apocalypse's fault for making being human sound like a trash existence.

[TooFlyToFail]

Simple.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. You have to ignore the potential emotional toll on everyone else to even pose the question.

Why? And what emotional toll? They'd be dead, and only exist as static copied memories in Xavier's head.

[Ferro]

and what happens to the mutants outside krakoa that kill themselves? what garantees do the x-men have of their wishes? if they want to be brought back at all, x-factor serves for this but it isnt an active team yet, its a much more complicated issue since it warrants an entire ongoing dedicated to it.
at least in the crucible, you get agency and clarity of the mutant

[numberthirty]

Why? And what emotional toll? They'd be dead, and only exist as static copied memories in Xavier's head.

If you pose the question, there's probably not much of a point in going into it.

[Ferro]

Why? And what emotional toll? They'd be dead, and only exist as static copied memories in Xavier's head.

we know from x-men 5 the amount of time betwen his death and rebirth made synch emotional life very hard, thats why they speed up skins ressurection to keep him company on this new experience.
what do you do to a million mutants that kill themselves, at least the genoshan mutants were living in a community, there are probably records of their close ones.
the depowered mutants share no common factor.

[TooFlyToFail]

but its probably a matter of hours? not days, weeks or months as we have seen for some other protocols, since everyone that was gathered in the arena was in the ressurection spot and scott and kurt were finishing their conversation.
Its a clearly special situation for her ressurection

It's not special for her. It's the first, so they used Apocalypse to set an example for everyone else. I wonder if we'll see Apocalypse do every Crucible, or if we'll see the likes of Jean, Storm and Nightcrawler have to do the deed. I wonder if it's based on the ruling of that particular season.

[Journey]

I still think if the mutants have such beef with Wanda they should just bring her in. Maybe use their new nation status to call her out publicly and put her on trial, she already tried to submit into their custody during Children's Crusade and they let her go because they had no real plan on how to punish her, it's really petty to be so bitter about it now, so if they really want that smoke chase it. Avengers even founding members have been put on trial before so it's not impossible.

Also didn't her actions in A Vs X lead to the restoration of mutants? Didn't it lierally lead to providing 2 out the 5 member of the five? I feel she has tried to make amends but the grudge is too deep so after a while Wanda probably just stopped giving a ****.

[TooFlyToFail]

If you pose the question, there's probably not much of a point in going into it.

I pose the question, because the citizens of Genosha are still not back yet. If there's an emotional toll, why even risk bringing back those people? How do you decide which of the millions come back earlier?

Also, again how many of those former mutants want to be mutants again? Being a mutant wasn't an instantly better life for everyone. Not all of them are Gurthies born into a mutant family nor do they all still have human appearances.