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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    even the characthers themselves doubted the truth of doom's confession, because it makes no sense.
    why the alternate universe where hes not the leader, why erasing mutants when he was even MIA during that time, particularly stuck in hell, what was the benefit when he could snatch the power from wanda anyways?
    what did he win from no more mutants?
    Dooms world-dominating shenanigans always go according to plan.

    Always.

    And he’s totally not egotistical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    possesed sure, but the very specific and spitefull atack on mutants was all her
    So Cyclops’ murder of Xavier was all him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunch of Coconuts View Post
    So Cyclops’ murder of Xavier was all him?
    born from years of abuse and lashing out on him? sure, pushed by the force but that was his last action before full dark phoenix, one that makes sense and he suffered consequences for.
    wanda got to be an avenger and the entire team protectin her from any sort of harm or consequences, she got to be a hero very quickly and able to use it to be a massive bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    even the characthers themselves doubted the truth of doom's confession, because it makes no sense.
    why the alternate universe where hes not the leader, why erasing mutants when he was even MIA during that time, particularly stuck in hell, what was the benefit when he could snatch the power from wanda anyways?
    what did he win from no more mutants?
    You expected the story to start to make sense? It already hadn't from AD on, lol. It was forced crap for mandates.
    Love is for souls, not bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    born from years of abuse and lashing out on him? sure, pushed by the force but that was his last action before full dark phoenix, one that makes sense and he suffered consequences for.
    wanda got to be an avenger and the entire team protectin her from any sort of harm or consequences, she got to be a hero very quickly and able to use it to be a massive bitch.
    Just making sure you’re applying an even coat is all. Everyone has different...uh...standards.

    I’m in the “possession is possession” camp, myself.

    Which, yes, means I don’t blame Scott, even though I don’t like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    born from years of abuse and lashing out on him? sure, pushed by the force but that was his last action before full dark phoenix, one that makes sense and he suffered consequences for.
    wanda got to be an avenger and the entire team protectin her from any sort of harm or consequences, she got to be a hero very quickly and able to use it to be a massive bitch.
    No, they didn't protect her. A lot of her rough life happened before she was an Avenger. Like being homeless and losing her parents. They couldn't save her from the loss of her husband or her children either. Something she worked through and came to terms with 15 years before M-day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    Wanda got to be an avenger and the entire team protectin her from any sort of harm or consequences, she got to be a hero very quickly and able to use it to be a massive bitch.
    As they should

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    There is difference between Scott and Wanda. Wanda sought out the power. In AvX Wandas spell summoned the Phoenix and Starks machine split the PF and forced it upon the P5 which gradually made them insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunch of Coconuts View Post
    Just making sure you’re applying an even coat is all. Everyone has different...uh...standards.

    I’m in the “possession is possession” camp, myself.

    Which, yes, means I don’t blame Scott, even though I don’t like him.
    I don't blame him either. Hell it's hard to blame any heroes gone bad in events. It's been a near constant thing. Seems like they are doing it again with Empyre.
    Love is for souls, not bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    There is difference between Scott and Wanda. Wanda sought out the power. In AvX Wandas spell summoned the Phoenix and Starks machine split the PF and forced it upon the P5 which gradually made them insane.
    You’re right, there are differences.

    Wanda sought out power for her to hopefully control and was manipulated by someone mostly known as being a villain.

    Scott kicks a teenage girl in the uterus to “train” her to control the power he sought out.

    What a man. ::drooling::

    Even Magneto saw Scott going overboard. Magneto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    No, they didn't protect her. A lot of her rough life happened before she was an Avenger. Like being homeless and losing her parents. They couldn't save her from the loss of her husband or her children either. Something she worked through and came to terms with 15 years before M-day.
    protect her AFTER m day where any attempt to hold her acountable was meet with "you cant attack avengers, we take care of our own even tho she did this to you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunch of Coconuts View Post
    You’re right, there are differences.

    Wanda sought out power for her to hopefully control.

    Scott kicks a teenage girl in the uterus to “train” her to control the power he sought out.

    What a man. ::drooling::
    The PF was coming regardless because of Wandas spell. So thats incorrect.

    Wanda actively sought out magic knowing full well of the consequences for her own personal gain and it backfired

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    There is difference between Scott and Wanda. Wanda sought out the power. In AvX Wandas spell summoned the Phoenix and Starks machine split the PF and forced it upon the P5 which gradually made them insane.
    And the difference between her seeking out the power in this story than in Vision and the Scarlet Witch (witch essences), Busiek's Avengers (Twilight Sword, Wonder Man's Iconic Energies) and UA (Wonder Man again) is the end result. She did it many times with success. This time it wasn't because of mandates. Without it mutants wouldn't have had the kind of struggle Marvel thinks they always need.
    Love is for souls, not bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    The PF was coming regardless because of Wandas spell. So thats incorrect.

    Wanda actively sought out magic knowing full well of the consequences for her own personal gain and it backfired
    She didn’t know she would be possessed beyond her control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    And the difference between her seeking out the power in this story than in Vision and the Scarlet Witch (witch essences), Busiek's Avengers (Twilight Sword, Wonder Man's Iconic Energies) and UA (Wonder Man again) is the end result. She did it many times with success. This time it wasn't because of mandates. Without it mutants wouldn't have had the kind of struggle Marvel thinks they always need.
    She called it dark power. And knew Dr Strange would not agree. So she had awareness.

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