Manchester Black vs Jean Grey

[Steel Inquisitor]

Rather than have Manchester against a telepath (Charles Xavier, Emma Frost), we'll try a powerful telepath who is also a telekinetic.

[Shai-Hulud]

I think she loses. Her telepathy may be equal to his, but I don't believe her telekinesis is nearly as strong.

To stand head-to-head with Manchester Black on both fronts, you'd need mutants like Nate Grey, David Haller or Absolon Mercator.

[Nik Hasta]

What version of Jean is this?

She's got a lot of square-footage in between her various forms and powers.

[Sharpandpointies]

She'd need to be at Phoenix level, I feel, to be able to compete with Black. Between his own ridiculous telepathy and TK on the level of 'Put the hurt on Superman'...

[Phoenixx9]

She'd need to be at Phoenix level, I feel, to be able to compete with Black. Between his own ridiculous telepathy and TK on the level of 'Put the hurt on Superman'...

I don't know...did not Jean stop Superman in one of those Marvel/DC Team-ups?

[Beadle]

I don't know...did not Jean stop Superman in one of those Marvel/DC Team-ups?

Which aren’t canon and have some reeeally dodgy feats in and some serious PIS/SMvFL stuff, so aren’t valid for Rumbles purposes.

[Celgress]

She'd need to be at Phoenix level, I feel, to be able to compete with Black. Between his own ridiculous telepathy and TK on the level of 'Put the hurt on Superman'...

I tend to agree. Unless Jean has the Phoenix Force at the time Manchester Black handily wins when push comes to shove.

[Sharpandpointies]

I don't know...did not Jean stop Superman in one of those Marvel/DC Team-ups?

Which aren’t canon and have some reeeally dodgy feats in and some serious PIS/SMvFL stuff, so aren’t valid for Rumbles purposes.

What Beadle said.

Also, I'd be curious as to the context.

[Froggy]

I don’t think she was jean whej she did the traveling through hyperspace via TK thing, just called herself Phoenix but had no Phoenix force iirc

[Phoenixx9]

Which aren’t canon and have some reeeally dodgy feats in and some serious PIS/SMvFL stuff, so aren’t valid for Rumbles purposes.

Fair enough.

However, Jean has come into her Omega Mutant potential since that MU/DCU time, so she is much stronger than the 90's/early 2000's now.

[Sharpandpointies]

Fair enough.

However, Jean has come into her Omega Mutant potential since that MU/DCU time, so she is much stronger than the 90's/early 2000's now.

What kind of feats has she pulled off recently?

[Slade1]

Fair enough.

However, Jean has come into her Omega Mutant potential since that MU/DCU time, so she is much stronger than the 90's/early 2000's now.

I think the real question is who isn't an Omega mutant these days?

[Shai-Hulud]

I think the real question is who isn't an Omega mutant these days?

This is the official list:

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[Beadle]

This is the official list:

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Nate Grey and the Living Monolith say ‘Hi’.

[big_adventure]

Nate Grey and the Living Monolith say ‘Hi’.

Is Nate currently Omega? I haven't looked in a while, but he was massively depowered for a while after Dark Reign/Siege.