Ta-Nehisi Coates to Leave Black Panther After Issue #25

[butterflykyss]

Wasn’t he supposed to do a Storm book with Jen Bartel or something?

yes. the rumor still persists. hopefully it's TRUE.

hey boo. you're absolutely correct. he still is saying he will write a storm book: dont let anyone get you down!


Q: You mentioned if given the chance to write for any character in the Marvel universe it would be Storm. What does Storm represent for you?

A: There’s been a rumor for years that Ta-Nehisi Coates and Jen Bartel who are two of my favorite people, are going to do a Storm story and Ta-Nehisi swears to me that he’s still going to do it. So, he and I might have to fight over that ... For me and most black women our age, that was the black women superhero that we saw growing up. I think representation matters like people say, but representation isn’t everything; it’s not just having a brown face or having a woman in a certain position, but actually what their character is like. I’ve always loved Storm just because she’s so powerful and she’s so important to the X-Men. If you walk up to somebody and say name 10 superheroes, Storm is up there. I think that’s really powerful. There’s really space for somebody (it doesn’t have to be me) to write for her, to get more spotlight, because I for one, never get tired of her.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/enter...mlq-story.html

[Cville]

Some BP fans are very fickle. They used to love Maberry until DoomWar, then they became incensed, and hated him.

The first arc was good, but Hudlin was co-writing it. When Mayberry fully took over, I noticed some oddities that didnt fit write. Then he gave Namor a pass which was unforgivable, then Doomwar and he cemented my earlier reservations when he was the only writer.

[Shadey]

Hopefully the next writer do away with this dumpster fire of a run from the past four years and write actual compelling BP stories.

[skyvolt2000]

yea because the whole comic community resides on cbr.

No because that was a general complaint almost everywhere.

Now in the early days-Caotes Panther flew off the shelves. It is later on when it collected dust on the shelves worst than Dc Rebirth.

He wouldn't have been working in the publisher for four straight years if they thought his work wasn't worth it.

Lets see I can list a LOT of white writers whose books have done worst than Coates and KEEP getting work. While someone like the late Dwayne McDuffie could not. A point made by his best friend Matt Wayne.

How many badly done books have Scott Lobdell have at DC alone?

Part of the reason some of these guys stay around-is because of WHOSE book they are working on. See Teen Titans, Green Lantern, Flash & Nightwing.

Also consider the Black Panther movie wave-where anything with BP on it SOLD and got in places where books like Cyborg, Young Avengers and others could never reach.

His books have been in the top 100 of Amazon sales for now 4 years. So in terms of profit-you can justify him staying.

And Marvel WILLINGLY took advantage of Storm fans. Why give her a book when you can FORCE her fans to buy the Panther book-same mess you see with Batman & Outsiders (AKA The Black Lighting book).

Problem now is you are losing too many readers and something called COMPETITION. Books with black males written BETTER are slowly coming out like The Man who Bleeped Time, The Mall, Prodigy, Resonant, Excellence, Black and others. Along with Miles Morales-whose every issue had to be reprinted and who KNOWS what Dc is going to do with Luke Fox & Aqualad.


Yeah it's time to move on and do that Storm book or does Naomi at Dc because the top black female character in comics since no one else can get a book.

[butterflykyss]

No because that was a general complaint almost everywhere.

Now in the early days-Caotes Panther flew off the shelves. It is later on when it collected dust on the shelves worst than Dc Rebirth.




Lets see I can list a LOT of white writers whose books have done worst than Coates and KEEP getting work. While someone like the late Dwayne McDuffie could not. A point made by his best friend Matt Wayne.

How many badly done books have Scott Lobdell have at DC alone?

Part of the reason some of these guys stay around-is because of WHOSE book they are working on. See Teen Titans, Green Lantern, Flash & Nightwing.

Also consider the Black Panther movie wave-where anything with BP on it SOLD and got in places where books like Cyborg, Young Avengers and others could never reach.

His books have been in the top 100 of Amazon sales for now 4 years. So in terms of profit-you can justify him staying.

And Marvel WILLINGLY took advantage of Storm fans. Why give her a book when you can FORCE her fans to buy the Panther book-same mess you see with Batman & Outsiders (AKA The Black Lighting book).

Problem now is you are losing too many readers and something called COMPETITION. Books with black males written BETTER are slowly coming out like The Man who Bleeped Time, The Mall, Prodigy, Resonant, Excellence, Black and others. Along with Miles Morales-whose every issue had to be reprinted and who KNOWS what Dc is going to do with Luke Fox & Aqualad.


Yeah it's time to move on and do that Storm book or does Naomi at Dc because the top black female character in comics since no one else can get a book.

not from my social media feeds.

[KOSLOX]

Hopefully the next writer do away with this dumpster fire of a run from the past four years and write actual compelling BP stories.

I hope this dumb Killmonger-Symbiote thing doesn't stick around.

[Conn Seanery]

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[Mike_Murdock]

I recognize that Coates's decisions were polarizing (although I think his actions were often interpreted in an unfair light based on fears on how the first arc would turn out), but I would hope that the next writer is able to pivot from Coates in a way that appeals to those fans without abandoning recent continuity. At a minimum, I do think a lot of stylistic changes were fun changes. I think Wakanda has always gone for a sort of pan-African vibe and especially so with language, so I would love if they continued the non-English names for the Golden City and the Black Panther as well. I also thought the Orishas had potential even if they were woefully under-explored.

[Drops Of Venus]

hey boo. you're absolutely correct. he still is saying he will write a storm book: dont let anyone get you down!


Q: You mentioned if given the chance to write for any character in the Marvel universe it would be Storm. What does Storm represent for you?

A: There’s been a rumor for years that Ta-Nehisi Coates and Jen Bartel who are two of my favorite people, are going to do a Storm story and Ta-Nehisi swears to me that he’s still going to do it. So, he and I might have to fight over that ... For me and most black women our age, that was the black women superhero that we saw growing up. I think representation matters like people say, but representation isn’t everything; it’s not just having a brown face or having a woman in a certain position, but actually what their character is like. I’ve always loved Storm just because she’s so powerful and she’s so important to the X-Men. If you walk up to somebody and say name 10 superheroes, Storm is up there. I think that’s really powerful. There’s really space for somebody (it doesn’t have to be me) to write for her, to get more spotlight, because I for one, never get tired of her.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/enter...mlq-story.html

He obviously loves Storm and this is something that's been in talks for quite some time, so I hope he gets to finally do that. I just hope it happens at the right time, because Marvel has way too many X-Men books right now, which could hurt the chances of a new Storm solo to stand out.

As for Eve and him fighting for the opportunity to write her, I think the solution is very simple: let them be co-writers. I'm sure they could do a good job together.

And still Marvel had turned Captain America into a nazi/hydra soldier and leader...

Why are people still bringing up Secret Empire? That wasn't the real Captain America. It was never going to be. It was the most classic case of bait and switch in comics. Let it go.

Are plummeting sales good reviews? Because he gets plenty of those.

Is getting good trade sales good reviews? 'Cause apparently, he gets that too. I just checked Amazon and the Kindle Edition for his A Nation Under Our Feet trade was still in the top 20 of bestselling Marvel Comics, a book from 4 years ago. Obviously, his work was still selling well in some capacity, which explains why he got to do FIFTY issues back to back. If his run wasn't financially sustainable for Marvel in any way, it would've been cancelled a long time ago. Black Panther is hardly the first Marvel book to plummet in the direct market while managing to capture an audience outside of it; we've seen it happening with books like Ms. Marvel. Not every book rely on the Diamond numbers, and thank God for that.

[Tracks]

Exactly. I love the run, but it is much better to read trade to trade rather than issue to issue.

[XPac]

Exactly. I love the run, but it is much better to read trade to trade rather than issue to issue.

I think that can be said for almost any writer who is seemingly given a guaranteed long run, like a Bendis or a Hickman.

When you don't need to worry about being cancelled every 6 issues, you almost naturally adopt a more decompressed style where you can casually drop threads which may not pay off for years.

[Blind Wedjat]

Coates: *Concludes a fairly successful 50 issue and 4 year run on his own terms, with other projects still in the works*

Random People on here: "Haha he's gone now he'll never work again!!"

lol wut

Whether Coates left by his own choice or not is not the concern or of importance to anyone that disliked his run. We wanted it over, and it is.

Plain and simple.

[J. D. Guy]

Whether Coates left by his own choice or not is not the concern or of importance to anyone that disliked his run. We wanted it over, and it is.

Plain and simple.

This statement is incongruous to the infamous posts in question, both in this thread and in the Appreciation thread. It makes those words said sound more innocent and honest then they are. Going from this, the thoughts evoked by Inversed's post are accurate.

[KOSLOX]

He obviously loves Storm and this is something that's been in talks for quite some time, so I hope he gets to finally do that. I just hope it happens at the right time, because Marvel has way too many X-Men books right now, which could hurt the chances of a new Storm solo to stand out.

As for Eve and him fighting for the opportunity to write her, I think the solution is very simple: let them be co-writers. I'm sure they could do a good job together.



Why are people still bringing up Secret Empire? That wasn't the real Captain America. It was never going to be. It was the most classic case of bait and switch in comics. Let it go.



Is getting good trade sales good reviews? 'Cause apparently, he gets that too. I just checked Amazon and the Kindle Edition for his A Nation Under Our Feet trade was still in the top 20 of bestselling Marvel Comics, a book from 4 years ago. Obviously, his work was still selling well in some capacity, which explains why he got to do FIFTY issues back to back. If his run wasn't financially sustainable for Marvel in any way, it would've been cancelled a long time ago. Black Panther is hardly the first Marvel book to plummet in the direct market while managing to capture an audience outside of it; we've seen it happening with books like Ms. Marvel. Not every book rely on the Diamond numbers, and thank God for that.

A book that is free with prime is a "top seller"?

Do go on.

How's the second book doing?

[KOSLOX]

I recognize that Coates's decisions were polarizing (although I think his actions were often interpreted in an unfair light based on fears on how the first arc would turn out), but I would hope that the next writer is able to pivot from Coates in a way that appeals to those fans without abandoning recent continuity. At a minimum, I do think a lot of stylistic changes were fun changes. I think Wakanda has always gone for a sort of pan-African vibe and especially so with language, so I would love if they continued the non-English names for the Golden City and the Black Panther as well. I also thought the Orishas had potential even if they were woefully under-explored.

Using the orishas is a fine idea, Especially since they already exisedt in the MU, but that's not really what Coates did. His Orishas are basically just ancient metahumans, which might be an interesting take if a competent comic writer had handled it.

I'm fine with the naming conventions he used for the various Wakandan locales. Hopefully someone makes better use of them in a follow up run. I'd prop up T'challa's various pretenders in each of the cities, and make them each an active part of the Wakandan council, which again, also existed prior to Coates.