Do modern Marvel writers hate Thor?

[Ichijinijisanji]

While true, they also don't have his same record of getting beat up across this entire run like Thor does.

I mean he does't really have that kind of record

[XPac]

Yeah, but you'd still expect about relatively equal treatment of the team instead of just having one member constantly prove to be ineffectual and get beat up on such a consistent basis.

It's not like they're picking on Thor or anything. All the characters who have 1mill bc equivalents are being defeated one by one, Thor included. Those who are spared the beating are the ones without equivalents, since MK is claiming the powers to each one that does. And to accomplish that, he's required to beat them.

Maybe in the general sense Thor loses more often than he should, but in this particular context I don't think it's out of line given the story they are telling.

[ARkadelphia]

The only Marvel writers that hate Thor are the ones that write Thor

[Frontier]

I mean he does't really have that kind of record

I think if you look across multiple arcs you would find that most of the time Thor is either ineffectual or getting knocked around by the threat of the week, without getting to contribute much.

It's not like they're picking on Thor or anything. All the characters who have 1mill bc equivalents are being defeated one by one, Thor included. Those who are spared the beating are the ones without equivalents, since MK is claiming the powers to each one that does. And to accomplish that, he's required to beat them.

Maybe in the general sense Thor loses more often than he should, but in this particular context I don't think it's out of line given the story they are telling.

Again, I'm talking about the entire run. It's not just the recent thing with Moon Knight that comes out of nowhere, I'm talking practically every fight Thor's been in with this run.

[Ichijinijisanji]

I think if you look across multiple arcs you would find that most of the time Thor is either ineffectual or getting knocked around by the threat of the week, without getting to contribute much.

Again, I'm talking about the entire run. It's not just the recent thing with Moon Knight that comes out of nowhere, I'm talking practically every fight Thor's been in with this run.

Who got to contribute that much then?
The avengers as a collective seem ineffectual in this run.

[brettc1]

While true, they also don't have his same record of getting beat up across this entire run like Thor does.

Exactly. Carol literally punched her way out of hell to protect the baby in this arc, and was finding starships and smacking Firelord around in the Starbrand story while Thor was trying to eat his teammates or just sitting around “brooding”.

[brettc1]

The only Marvel writers that hate Thor are the ones that write Thor

LOL and Q4T.

Well said.

[Ichijinijisanji]

Exactly. Carol literally punched her way out of hell to protect the baby in this arc, and was finding starships and smacking Firelord around in the Starbrand story while Thor was trying to eat his teammates or just sitting around “brooding”.

You do know that for decades carol barely got to contribute much positively to the teams she was in?
Then thor has a rut for a few years, and carol starts getting a chance, which isn't even at his expense specifically.

Like goddamn yall gotta have patience and thicker skin. It's like talking to rich kid who has to eat mcdonalds instead of gourmet.

In the Ultimates book carol barely got to do much past the first issue. There was basically one giant montage fight and carol couldnt even beat her own enemy in Ultimates 2 3ish or something. Same goes for A-force. In all new wolverine 27 they literally brought her in to get knocked out after hyping her up. Hickman's avengers carol literally got to do nothing except get humiliated by hulk, while thor and hyperion get to go out in a blaze of epic glory.

For 2 years tops maybe she doesn't get consistently kicked to the side and gets to do something. Like in Empyre. **** I'm even disappoiinted she didn't get to save the sun despite getting promised it the past issue and I was waiting for it for 2 weeks, that being her specialty and all, but I'm not going to harp about it for months.

even then her characterization in the Avengers book is terrible so I can't even enjoy it

[Frontier]

You do know that for decades carol barely got to contribute much positively to the teams she was in?
Then thor has a rut for a few years, and carol starts getting a chance, which isn't even at his expense specifically.

Like goddamn yall gotta have patience and thicker skin. It's like talking to rich kid who has to eat mcdonalds instead of gourmet.

In the Ultimates book carol barely got to do much past the first issue. There was basically one giant montage fight and carol couldnt even beat her own enemy in Ultimates 2 3ish or something. Same goes for A-force. In all new wolverine 27 they literally brought her in to get knocked out after hyping her up. Hickman's avengers carol literally got to do nothing except get humiliated by hulk, while thor and hyperion get to go out in a blaze of epic glory.

For 2 years tops maybe she doesn't get consistently kicked to the side and gets to do something. Like in Empyre. **** I'm even disappoiinted she didn't get to save the sun despite getting promised it the past issue and I was waiting for it for 2 weeks, that being her specialty and all, but I'm not going to harp about it for months.

even then her characterization in the Avengers book is terrible so I can't even enjoy it

I'd rather not see any character job to be honest...

[brettc1]

You do know that for decades carol barely got to contribute much positively to the teams she was in?
Then thor has a rut for a few years, and carol starts getting a chance, which isn't even at his expense specifically.

Like goddamn yall gotta have patience and thicker skin. It's like talking to rich kid who has to eat mcdonalds instead of gourmet.

In the Ultimates book carol barely got to do much past the first issue. There was basically one giant montage fight and carol couldnt even beat her own enemy in Ultimates 2 3ish or something. Same goes for A-force. In all new wolverine 27 they literally brought her in to get knocked out after hyping her up. Hickman's avengers carol literally got to do nothing except get humiliated by hulk, while thor and hyperion get to go out in a blaze of epic glory.

For 2 years tops maybe she doesn't get consistently kicked to the side and gets to do something. Like in Empyre. **** I'm even disappoiinted she didn't get to save the sun despite getting promised it the past issue and I was waiting for it for 2 weeks, that being her specialty and all, but I'm not going to harp about it for months.

even then her characterization in the Avengers book is terrible so I can't even enjoy it

Six years.

[Ichijinijisanji]

Six years.

He was unworthy for 6 years, yes, but he was still effective for most of them.
Uncanny avengers, hickman's avengers, unworthy thor and so on.

It's mainly the 2017ish on did he really become more so ineffective, like with cho-hulk and onwards.

but people have been complaining about thor jobbing since a decade ago now

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forum...592287/?page=1

[brettc1]

He was unworthy for 6 years, yes, but he was still effective for most of them.
Uncanny avengers, hickman's avengers, unworthy thor and so on.

It's mainly the 2017ish on did he really become more so ineffective, like with cho-hulk and onwards.

but people have been complaining about thor jobbing since a decade ago now

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forum...592287/?page=1

All of these complaints seem reasonable.

The Red Hulk fight was complete crap.

Yes, Thor won the War of the Realms. But then it was back to more of the same.

One heartbeat in a long flatline might mean you’re not dead, but it doesn’t mean you’re healthy either.

[Ichijinijisanji]

All of these complaints seem reasonable.

The Red Hulk fight was complete crap.

Yes, Thor won the War of the Realms. But then it was back to more of the same.

One heartbeat in a long flatline might mean you’re not dead, but it doesn’t mean you’re healthy either.

Red Hulk has a unique power that allowed him to leech off energy from others. That's how he beat the watcher (way above thor) and Silver surfer (thors peer). (Of course now he can't use that power because it poses an extreme risk of him losing himself completely)

He had a good showing in empyre too which is recent.

[JudicatorPrime]

I'll take this kind of "hate" any day. Told you, it's just a matter of time before someone restores Thor to where he belongs.

[Chainsaw Vigilante]

I'll take this kind of "hate" any day. Told you, it's just a matter of time before someone restores Thor to where he belongs.

That's FAR above where he belongs and random power feats (especially ones that everyone knows won't last without being retconned, but hey that's happened to Galactus numerous times in the past few years because continuity just doesn't matter anymore) in no way equate with proper treatment of characters as characters. Cates' Thor is an absolute prick and far from the hero he's been for the vast majority of his 50+ years as a character in Marvel. I'd take my favorite character being written in character any day over them destroying planets or beating someone well above their pay grade or whatnot.