Do modern Marvel writers hate Thor?

[Doombot]

I feel like the classic Simonson run pretty much exhausted the potential of Surtr and Jormungandr (while introducing Malekith and Kurse, IIRC). I'm pretty cool with Surtr being succeeded by Sindr, and wouldn't mind seeing her developed further, but Jormungandr definitely needs some sort of follow up (spawn erupting from his remains, and now competing for which of them gets to become the new 'midgard serpent?'), as do older classic Thor foes like Fenris/Garm or Ulik, king of the trolls.

New villains could be crafted from the old mythos as well. There's no need for Hela, for instance, to show up for every punch-fest, when a simple sorcerer-priest or cult of Hela (perhaps recruited during her time on Earth, in Vegas?), able to summon legions of the dead, and use various darker magics and invocations (like 'the Lies of Loki,' an illusion spell that creates a bunch of illusions of themself, or 'Sindr's Sword,' a giant flaming sword attacking their foes) could be a different sort of threat. Or the dragon Fafnir, slain long ago and one of his fangs used to craft the original Valkyrie's sword, could be resurrected by someone who has stolen said sword and used it to fuel a spell to regrow his body and restore his threat.

I like a lot of your new villain ideas, but I disagree with the bit about Surtur. Aside from being the big bad in Simonson's run, he is a woefully underdeveloped character. Surtur and the entire realm Muspellheim have barely been touched except for the odd event motivator. But instead, Marvel has chosen to just make a female Surtur-lite with this Sindr character. Why develop Surtur more when you can just toss him in the bin and make a female knock-off? Sounds like another stellar Marvel idea. Also, while he may look like it at first glance, Surtur is not a demon or a devil and Muspellheim is not some realm of damnation filled with demons. I really wish Marvel writers would understand this. Surtur is the living embodiment of cosmic heat and flame. There is more potential for the character with this understanding in my opinion.

As for Jormungand, he/it is really not even interesting as an idea to me. I haven't been a fan of any version Marvel has done of the character. It's really just supposed to sleep until the end of time.

[CaptainMar-Vell92 of the Kree]

I like a lot of your new villain ideas, but I disagree with the bit about Surtur. Aside from being the big bad in Simonson's run, he is a woefully underdeveloped character. Surtur and the entire realm Muspellheim have barely been touched except for the odd event motivator. But instead, Marvel has chosen to just make a female Surtur-lite with this Sindr character. Why develop Surtur more when you can just toss him in the bin and make a female knock-off? Sounds like another stellar Marvel idea. Also, while he may look like it at first glance, Surtur is not a demon or a devil and Muspellheim is not some realm of damnation filled with demons. I really wish Marvel writers would understand this. Surtur is the living embodiment of cosmic heat and flame. There is more potential for the character with this understanding in my opinion.

As for Jormungand, he/it is really not even interesting as an idea to me. I haven't been a fan of any version Marvel has done of the character. It's really just supposed to sleep until the end of time.

I like your vision of Surtur. Although i think Mangog is the most underrated Thor villain. He's pretty much Marvel's Doomsday before Doomsday was cool.

[H-E-D]

Are you assuming that people nostalgic for those eras ignore a lack of actual substance in those eras? I don't think that's true for Simonson.

That's almost the opposite of what I was saying.

[CaptainMar-Vell92 of the Kree]

Actually, this notion is not far from the Thor Stan envisioned. Thor was a departure from the previous characters utilizing the "feet made of clay" formula. Thor was Stans first Cape at Marvel and subtle competition to Superman. As far as success, do you think Thors rogue gallery is insufficient to challenge Thor? Desak, Mangog, The Enchanters (woefully underused), The Absorbing Man, Kurse? Hmmmm. What I'd like to see is Thor returned to form.

Kind of sounds like you're happy with Thor being depicted as a drunken moron who is now weaker than Shulk. Because that's not really my idea of a Thor I want to read either.

Friendly reminder we just go through 5 years of this garbage.

[CaptainMar-Vell92 of the Kree]

the worst of this, far as I can tell, is just one writer who's been a main writer on thor for 5 years.

I don't remember fraction's run showing him this poorly.

And now even when he Is not writing the Thor series anymore, he couldn't help but having Jane being stronger than Thor in her book. Not even Bendis is this petty.

I don't know why Aaron hates Thor so much

[Ichijinijisanji]

And now even when he Is not writing the Thor series anymore, he couldn't help but having Jane being stronger than Thor in her book. Not even Bendis is this petty.

I don't know why Aaron hates Thor so much

eh
maybe the black stuff made him weaker

[CaptainMar-Vell92 of the Kree]

eh
maybe the black stuff made him weaker

But Jane easily shrugged off the black stuff.

[Ichijinijisanji]

But Jane easily shrugged off the black stuff.

well it's like cancer, and she's had cancer so it's a more familiar sensation to be able to fight it. Maybe cancer survivors are more resistant. She also took smaller attacks from it, rather than thor just plunging his hammer into the source directly

and since it appears to have an effect of weakening and draining your life force away, that is an explanation for how she can win the physical fight atleast

this is just no-prizing it, until the issue comes out and maybe this is explained

[Cronus]

Friendly reminder we just go through 5 years of this garbage.

Yeah, and evidently not over as long as Aaron is writing Thor in Avengers. Hes obviously made this personal.

*sigh*

[Cronus]

On the other hand, I am enjoying Cates' run on Thor so far!

[Dreaded Porcupine]

Yeah, and evidently not over as long as Aaron is writing Thor in Avengers. Hes obviously made this personal.

*sigh*

Maybe Aaron should be taken off the Avengers as well. He seems spiteful. Obviously can’t take criticism from fans it seems. I dropped the Avengers. Space mountain and the BC Avengers just weren’t doing it for me.

[Anthony W]

And now even when he Is not writing the Thor series anymore, he couldn't help but having Jane being stronger than Thor in her book. Not even Bendis is this petty.

I don't know why Aaron hates Thor so much

Have you seen Valkyrie's sales? He rode on the back of 90s style stunt writing and now he is (finally) realizing that what made Foster popular was the hammer. His run will be mentioned in the same breath as The Clone Saga, Emerald Twilight, The Death Of Superman, That story that resulted in Tony Stark being turned into a teenager lol and Knighfall in the "Hey, remember when..." dustbin

[CaptainMar-Vell92 of the Kree]

Have you seen Valkyrie's sales? He rode on the back of 90s style stunt writing and now he is (finally) realizing that what made Foster popular was the hammer. His run will be mentioned in the same breath as The Clone Saga, Emerald Twilight, The Death Of Superman, That story that resulted in Tony Stark being turned into a teenager lol and Knighfall in the "Hey, remember when..." dustbin

The Death and Return of Superman is a good storyline though.

I really wonder why JKtheMac hasn't tried to defend Aaron's Thor and Valkyrie here.

[Anthony W]

The Death and Return of Superman is a good storyline though.

Okay, take out Death and Return of Superman and use Maximum Carnage instead.

[Anthony W]

Or use that saga that resulted in Cap wearing armor.