View Poll Results: Should Wanda Maimoff stand trial fot her role in House of M ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veitha View Post
    Just let Emma do it. She already taught ethic class, she's an actual teacher and she's misused her powers and walked that line in the past.
    Emma shouldn't be anywhere near an ethics class. She's made enormous strides with being good, but she wasn't a small time villain and her acts, which continued long after she joined the X-men, are controversial to say the least as she's prone to backsliding. For instance, her actions in the Hellfire Club in the Dark Phoenix Saga and afterward. As an X-man she would later make an alliance with HYDRA and Norman Osborn, when Osborn ran the government and hunted the Avengers - and was, of course working with Dark Beast to kinda and experiment on mutants to power a plot device because he's Norman Osborn. And to this day is ok violating peoples consent with her telepathy exactly like she did as a villain. "Misused her powers" that's a good one. She's obviously better than Sebastian Shaw but that's a low bar to clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Emma shouldn't be anywhere near an ethics class. She's made enormous strides with being good, but she wasn't a small time villain and her acts, which continued long after she joined the X-men, are controversial to say the least as she's prone to backsliding. For instance, her actions in the Hellfire Club in the Dark Phoenix Saga and afterward. As an X-man she would later make an alliance with HYDRA and Norman Osborn, when Osborn ran the government and hunted the Avengers - and was, of course working with Dark Beast to kinda and experiment on mutants to power a plot device because he's Norman Osborn. And to this day is ok violating peoples consent with her telepathy exactly like she did as a villain. "Misused her powers" that's a good one. She's obviously better than Sebastian Shaw but that's a low bar to clear.
    Yass ignore aaalll the context for Secret Empire and Dark Avengers yesss. All out of the window so we can say mutants are baddies.



    She did great in teaching Jeen not to abuse her TP while also pushing her through her limits. You should read more X-Comics.

    The students don't need to know about the Verendi allied Russian ambassador (reminder that Verendi was paying Madripoor humans to kill mutant children before we keep refering to the ambassador as one of the good guys) that she gave a little TP push to.

    Also, the context of me saying Emma was that Will proposed Wanda used "Like ex-white-collar criminals who come to colleges and do presentations on what they did was wrong and how they got caught, etc.". Emma fits much better than Wanda who keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over again, while Emma is now using her power and influence to do good (hashtag growth).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veitha View Post
    Yass ignore aaalll the context for Secret Empire and Dark Avengers yesss. All out of the window so we can say mutants are baddies.

    The context being the X-men had members who agree to work with Nazi's like HYDRA Steve, and not help the Avengers when the world needed having from Norman Osborn. Had the positions been reversed with the Avengers I wouldn't hear the end of it.

    This is hardly a defense. Saying context and making a gif isn't compelling.

    She did great in teaching Jeen not to abuse her TP while also pushing her through her limits. You should read more X-Comics.
    No-one's saying she hasn't done good things but Emma's no choir girl by any stretch. There's a reason Kitty hated her for years.


    The students don't need to know about the Verendi allied Russian ambassador (reminder that Verendi was paying Madripoor humans to kill mutant children before we keep refering to the ambassador as one of the good guys) that she gave a little TP push to.
    The reason being they'd flip out at Emma because she did a bad thing and she knows it. TP push, as in "taking someone's agency away from them against their will." I despise how she did it, not why she did it.

    Also, the context of me saying Emma was that Will proposed Wanda used "Like ex-white-collar criminals who come to colleges and do presentations on what they did was wrong and how they got caught, etc.". Emma fits much better than Wanda who keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over again, while Emma is now using her power and influence to do good (hashtag growth).
    Emma's not any better she's still doing bad things over the years, like working with HYDRA and Norman Osborn. Emma has never simply been a while collar criminal, she's wasn't doing the Hellfire Club's taxes for the IRS. She was deeply involved in their affairs in attacking the X-men, possessing Storm and manipulating Jean by assisting Wynegarde by gaslighting Jean into being his new lover without her consent/Black Queen and this triggered the Dark Phoenix, as well as Shaw backing government Sentinels after the X-men humiliated him.



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    I'd take Selene over Emma anyday, I prefer either hot or cold not lukewarm.At least Selene revels in her villainy than Emma who only pretends to care when it suits her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    The context being the X-men had members who agree to work with Nazi's like HYDRA Steve, and not help the Avengers when the world needed having from Norman Osborn. Had the positions been reversed with the Avengers I wouldn't hear the end of it.

    This is hardly a defense. Saying context and making a gif isn't compelling.



    No-one's saying she hasn't done good things but Emma's no choir girl by any stretch. There's a reason Kitty hated her for years.




    The reason being they'd flip out at Emma because she did a bad thing and she knows it. TP push, as in "taking someone's agency away from them against their will." I despise how she did it, not why she did it.



    Emma's not any better she's still doing bad things over the years, like working with HYDRA and Norman Osborn. Emma has never simply been a while collar criminal, she's wasn't doing the Hellfire Club's taxes for the IRS. She was deeply involved in their affairs in attacking the X-men, possessing Storm and manipulating Jean by assisting Wynegarde by gaslighting Jean into being his new lover without her consent/Black Queen and this triggered the Dark Phoenix, as well as Shaw backing government Sentinels after the X-men humiliated him.



    Our heroine, ladies and gentlemen.
    DUH she was a villain before Phalanx.

    Also, you're still not looking at the context for the Secret Empire and Dark Reign stuff. You might need a reread (by reread I don't mean 1 page or Google image search every 15 pages of the actual comic).

    The Russian ambassador/Verendi ally being mind controlled is the equivalent of taking down a villain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev9 View Post
    I'd take Selene over Emma anyday, I prefer either hot or cold not lukewarm.At least Selene revels in her villainy than Emma who only pretends to care when it suits her.
    Emma has been an hero since Gen X. She's also saved the universe and the Earth multiple times.

    She also never committed multiversal genocide nor did she cause a zombie Apocalypse scenario. Such weird standards for being a hero these days around here.

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    Don’t forget while in possession of Storm’s body, Emma had sex with Shaw.

    And she killed poor Butterum. Even Tony Soprano would never kill a horse. And he killed one of his man when he found out they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veitha View Post
    DUH she was a villain before Phalanx.
    Which has been strangely not talked about in our discussions, how do you feel about her speech to Kitty?

    Also, you're still not looking at the context for the Secret Empire and Dark Reign stuff. You might need a reread (by reread I don't mean 1 page or Google image search every 15 pages of the actual comic).

    The Russian ambassador/Verendi ally being mind controlled is the equivalent of taking down a villain.[/QUOTE]

    Curious why you want me to reread something rather than give me an actual argument, sounds like there isn't one.

    She didn't "take him down," she mentally manipulated him like a meat puppet. Being a bad guy isn't a reason from doing anything to them, by those standards the X-men should have killed her long ago when she was a villain.

    Emma has been an hero since Gen X. She's also saved the universe and the Earth multiple times.

    She also never committed multiversal genocide nor did she cause a zombie Apocalypse scenario. Such weird standards for being a hero these days around here.
    But she did have a villainous past before Generation X, and her relationship with the X-men has been frosty and not for bad reasons. Don't whitewash her past.

    But she did do many horrible villainous deeds which she never truly was punished for and she did it with a smile. Unlike Wanda she liked being a bad girl, she didn't do that because she was under mental stress or by accident. She liked it. These standards are hypocritical, Wanda's been a hero for many, many years and saved the world countless times but that's not important it's about which character is liked more. Have you read any comics with her in it wasn't connected to the X-titles? A Dark Phoenix equivalent and her messing up badly trying to heal the wounds to mutant kind she accentually hurt during a mental breakdown. Because Dr. Strange would rather insult her than help her, but he'll make deals with universal threats in a heartbeat to save his own skin. Once again not covering all the angles to prevent mistakes his students make, which has become a disturbing pattern with him the days with Wanda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    I am all for Krakoa putting on more dance performances.

    I look forward to seeing Scott and Emma re-intact pieces from Dirty Dancing.

    Maybe we can get some Footloose action in there too.
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    also dr strange didnt insult her, he is just in disbelief shed try to ressurect 16 MILLION MUTANTS (and nearly suceed), no where does it say that he isnt going to help her now, and he first even explained that the only way to truly erase her first mistake is to erase herself wich he doesnt wan't, he wasnt necessarly expecting her to spend almost 8 months garnering materials and knowledge to create a staff that powerfull.


    I doubt hed just not help her out after she came to him for assistance after an oopsie, a very complicated and catastrophic oopsie
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denkota View Post
    Imagine trying to erase the Phoenix. Guess they missed the part of it always rising from the ashes.
    Marvel are also the ones who thought mutants couldn't be marginalized if they were in large numbers. Even though numbers has nothing to do with it. It's all pretty dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    So if its too late to put her on trial for HOM, can she be put on trial for her actions in Empyre? The stuff she does with her magic lead to catastrophic consequences. She needs to have a sorcery lobotomy and banned from using her powers and accessing magic. Its a fit punishment especially considering how irresponsible she continues to be with it
    I’m okay with it as Long as 20% of Krakoa gets the same treatment. Deal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    Don’t forget while in possession of Storm’s body, Emma had sex with Shaw.

    And she killed poor Butterum. Even Tony Soprano would never kill a horse. And he killed one of his man when he found out they did.
    we will never forget. Emma will always and forever be trash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    also dr strange didnt insult her, he is just in disbelief shed try to ressurect 16 MILLION MUTANTS (and nearly suceed), no where does it say that he isnt going to help her now, and he first even explained that the only way to truly erase her first mistake is to erase herself wich he doesnt wan't, he wasnt necessarly expecting her to spend almost 8 months garnering materials and knowledge to create a staff that powerfull.
    He wasn't nice in that encounter, despite the fact he's someone who should be incredibly sympathetic. It's like getting a lecture by John Constantine about making deals with demons.

    I doubt hed just not help her out after she came to him for assistance after an oopsie, a very complicated and catastrophic oopsie
    A big reason House of M occurred in the first place is because he knew how badly Wanda was getting, post-Life Force, and waited until everything was over in Avengers: Disassembled before popping in and giving exposition to the minute detail about what happened and he didn't warn a single person about it. Including Wanda. She really needs better mentors from the magic community to give her the attention she needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veitha View Post
    Emma has been an hero since Gen X. She's also saved the universe and the Earth multiple times.

    She also never committed multiversal genocide nor did she cause a zombie Apocalypse scenario. Such weird standards for being a hero these days around here.
    Wait... Can you name the times (by title, issue, or story arc) where Emma Frost has saved the universe and the Earth on said multiple occasions?

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