Should Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch stand trial for House of M ?

[Steel Inquisitor]

Has Polaris ever done anything that was on a monumental scale, good or bad? Most of the time she ends up being just kinda there.

Not in scale but like Wanda she's attracted various super-villains who possess her to do bad things, like killing the X-men, or using her as a pawn or object of power for destruction. But nobody blames her when she does this or when she was so traumatised after Genosha's destruction she tried to kill Havok. It's been like this since the early days since she met Mesmero.

Lucy:

Cyclops didn't say in prison long, he broke out before he could get a trial it's not like his sentence was commuted by a judge.

[Lucyinthesky]

Not in scale but like Wanda she's attracted various super-villains who possess her to do bad things, like killing the X-men, or using her as a pawn or object of power for destruction. But nobody blames her when she does this or when she was so traumatised after Genosha's destruction she tried to kill Havok. It's been like this since the early days since she met Mesmero.

Lucy:

Cyclops didn't say in prison long, he broke out before he could get a trial it's not like his sentence was commuted by a judge.

He was going to be killed in prison, there was not going to be a trial for him despite him wishing to stay there, he told this to Wolverine and Logan agreed, still the X-men didn´t swept under the rug his actions, or say there was no problem anymore, he had to take responsibility a go from there.

My point is that for Wanda´s character to truly go forward marvel needs to threat her as an actual character, not a plot device and that involves taking in consideration all her story in a logical and character driven way.

[Havok83]

Not in scale but like Wanda she's attracted various super-villains who possess her to do bad things, like killing the X-men, or using her as a pawn or object of power for destruction. But nobody blames her when she does this or when she was so traumatised after Genosha's destruction she tried to kill Havok. It's been like this since the early days since she met Mesmero.

Lucy:

Cyclops didn't say in prison long, he broke out before he could get a trial it's not like his sentence was commuted by a judge.

What villian possessed Wanda to do wht she did in Empyre?

Lorna's been possessed multiple times but has never done anything quite on the scale of M-Day or Empyre. Very minimal collateral damage and she didnt kill anyone. Wanda gets hate bc of the lasting consequences of her actions. There was no lasting consequences to anything you mentioned with Lorna the impact it had on her own mental state.

[Thundershot]

Magneto only has one child and Wanda isn't it. And Polaris ain't no screw up.

It’s only a matter of time before they say the High Evolutionary lied about that too. They spent decades as Magneto’s children and as mutants. Why are people taking the word of the High Evolutionary when Cerebro has determined them as mutants, and this would even be recorded for resurrection purposes. If it didn’t, Xavier would have known right away. So yeah, I think the whole High Evolutionary thing is a crock of ****. lol

[Zelena]

What villian possessed Wanda to do wht she did in Empyre?

Lorna's been possessed multiple times but has never done anything quite on the scale of M-Day or Empyre. Very minimal collateral damage and she didnt kill anyone. Wanda gets hate bc of the lasting consequences of her actions. There was no lasting consequences to anything you mentioned with Lorna the impact it had on her own mental state.

So, luckily, Lorna killed less people or no people… and, then, she is a better person… by accident?

[Havok83]

So, luckily, Lorna killed less people or no people… and, then, she is a better person… by accident?

She's a better person bc she hasnt tragically screwed over an entire species or like in Empyre, irresponsibly screwed them over as a result of bad choices she made (messing with dark magic she doesnt fully understand) . The two women and the consequences of their actions are nowhere near comparable and its laughable that people are actually trying to put Lorna on Wanda's level. What is the worse thing Lorna has done? Tried to kill Annie at her non-wedding? Sorry, not sorry but its not equal

[gurkle]

This is also why Wanda's actions get more scrutiny than a lot of out-and-out villains. Magneto has tried to commit mass murder multiple times, but he got stopped (including by Pietro and Wanda in their first appearance). There are a few villains who have actually managed to commit genocide on-panel like Cassandra and Kang, but usually it's like Sideshow Bob's line, "attempted murder? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?" The heroes stop them so their confirmed body count isn't high.

The lesson here is probably, if you're going to do something like wipe out a race, make it an accident. Even villains can't necessarily come back from that, let alone heroes.

[Havok83]

This is also why Wanda's actions get more scrutiny than a lot of out-and-out villains. Magneto has tried to commit mass murder multiple times, but he got stopped (including by Pietro and Wanda in their first appearance). There are a few villains who have actually managed to commit genocide on-panel like Cassandra and Kang, but usually it's like Sideshow Bob's line, "attempted murder? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?" The heroes stop them so their confirmed body count isn't high.

The lesson here is probably, if you're going to do something like wipe out a race, make it an accident. Even villains can't necessarily come back from that, let alone heroes.

Yes its the consequences of what she did which makes it so bad as it persisted for well over a decade, even till now. If M-Day was resolved within a few months, no one would be still be coming down on Wanda as much as she gets today. We are still dealing with that. Its hard to think of any major crime that has had as long lasting aftermath as HOM. Thats whats made it harder for readers to simply move in compared to other stories

[Will Evans]

Yes its the consequences of what she did which makes it so bad as it persisted for well over a decade, even till now. If M-Day was resolved within a few months, no one would be still be coming down on Wanda as much as she gets today. We are still dealing with that. Its hard to think of any major crime that has had as long lasting aftermath as HOM. Thats whats made it harder for readers to simply move in compared to other stories

As long Cassandra Nova isn’t welcomed on the island before Wanda.

[teapartyofthedead]

The worse thing Lorna ever did in her own words

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When people needed her most, she ran away to save herself. It was her greatest shame, and that's what let her to attack Nurse Annie after Alex stopped the wedding. Not because she was just that in love with Alex, but because the guilt of her actions was tormenting her and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Wanda's actions, whether she was possessed or not, led her to commit genocide because she wanted her children back. Lorna's inaction, while not possessed by anything but her own survival instinct, let a genocide happen on her watch so she could escape to safety. The question being asked is: are these actions in anyway comparable?

While an interesting discussion in and of itself, I can't help but feel it's digressing from the topic: should Wanda stand trial for HoM? At this point, the poll points to a narrow percentage in favor of her not being put on trial. It's too bad it can't specify if Wanda should face any kind of punishment or reprimand for it, or be forgiven or offered a road to redemption in anyway even if she was found guilty.

In any case, one thing we can all agree on: this is gone on long enough. I hope to god after Empyre, Hickman finally put it to rest one way or another. Just let poor Wanda finally take charge of this and be given a set of requirements to atone, instead of everyone stewing in their resentment.

[Shadowedeyes]

They should just Parallax the whole House of M thing. Sure, it was a dumb retcon, but it allowed them to just get back to telling stories about Hal without needing to bring up those previous stories every single time he appeared.

[AJpyro]

They should just Parallax the whole House of M thing. Sure, it was a dumb retcon, but it allowed them to just get back to telling stories about Hal without needing to bring up those previous stories every single time he appeared.

James Robinson could do it if he had the Way.

[Soulsword323]

I think comparing what happened to Lorna on Genosha, and what Wanda did is a reach. Lorna wasn't responsible for sending a Sentinel to kill millions of mutants. Yeah, she could have done more to save people, but it wasn't as if she chose for this to happen. Wanda lashed out deliberately to hurt Mutants because of her connection to her father. It's two different things IMO.

[Relugus]

What villian possessed Wanda to do wht she did in Empyre?

Lorna's been possessed multiple times but has never done anything quite on the scale of M-Day or Empyre. Very minimal collateral damage and she didnt kill anyone. Wanda gets hate bc of the lasting consequences of her actions. There was no lasting consequences to anything you mentioned with Lorna the impact it had on her own mental state.

Zombies can only be created by the Darkhold, which might be a clue as to what's going on.

Also, none of Marvel's writers witu the exception of Zub are interested in writing Wanda unless it's to briefly use her as a plot device.

During Hickman's Avengers run, Wanda was totally absent which really iluminates how interested he is in her.

[teapartyofthedead]

I think comparing what happened to Lorna on Genosha, and what Wanda did is a reach. Lorna wasn't responsible for sending a Sentinel to kill millions of mutants. Yeah, she could have done more to save people, but it wasn't as if she chose for this to happen. Wanda lashed out deliberately to hurt Mutants because of her connection to her father. It's two different things IMO.

That's the question, did Wanda lash out deliberately in that moment or was she possessed by the Life Force? The question that Marvel has been unable or unwilling to answer for over a decade. However, Lorna has no such excuse. She didn't choose for the sentinels to attack Genosha, but she did choose to pledge herself to its protection, including from sentinels. And the question comes down to, is (potentially) deliberate action better or worse than deliberate inaction?