View Poll Results: Should Wanda Maimoff stand trial fot her role in House of M ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    I have read Children's Crusade and the comic itself is ambiguous about Doom and whether he was lying or not.
    That comic was such a silly cop out. X-men should of just burned the witch and have the fallout lead into AvX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    It wasn't really ambiguous because he ended up taking the power for himself, which was how he killed Cassie. Doom is always out for power.
    ANd he had to depower mutants for this?
    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    What was OOC for him, was him attacking a child.
    Isn't that exactly what he did...on a multiple universe scale when "he" attempt to erase mutants everywhere?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    ANd he had to depower mutants for this?

    Isn't that exactly what he did...on a multiple universe scale when "he" attempt to erase mutants everywhere?
    Hey, I'm not saying any of it really makes sense. The OOC was strong all through out this tale. Why would it change in A:CC? Even their attempts to clean things up were bad. It just seemed to want to be controversial all through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    It wasn't really ambiguous because he ended up taking the power for himself, which was how he killed Cassie. Doom is always out for power. What was OOC for him, was him attacking a child.
    Magneto and the Avengers believe in Doom, Wolverine and Cyclops think that he is lying.




    There are two possible interpretations, either Doom was telling the truth or Doom took the blame to protect Wanda (or increase his own ego).

    Both theories make sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    Magneto and the Avengers believe in Doom, Wolverine and Cyclops think that he is lying.




    There are two possible interpretations, either Doom was telling the truth or Doom took the blame to protect Wanda (or increase his own ego).

    Both theories make sense to me.
    My, how Scott's view's change when someone's possessed and they're not his girlfriend.



    Edit: In another reality she might have been, considering when the X-men tried to recruit her and Pietro when they quit the Brotherhood Jean didn't want her on the team because she thought Wanda was more beautiful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    My, how Scott's view's change when someone's possessed and they're not his girlfriend.



    Edit: In another reality she might have been, considering when the X-men tried to recruit her and Pietro when they quit the Brotherhood Jean didn't want her on the team because she thought Wanda was more beautiful.
    Well duh, people have different feelings when it comes to their fiancees vs their enemy. With that said, there was also less of a personal attachment to what Jean did in DPS bc he had only heard about what she had done to the D'Bari and that was only a few hours earier. Compare that to M'Day...he had been living with the consequences of Wanda's action for like a year or so. Her victims were those he was personally attached to. Of course there may be a bias there. Thats not shocking and speaks true of a human emotion
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    I mean, you would have to be a sociopath or The Watcher to not have different bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Of course there may be a bias there. Thats not shocking and speaks true of a human emotion
    Ah, they’re human, now… I knew the X-men having more impartiality, though… when they considered themselves as human…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Well duh, people have different feelings when it comes to their fiancees vs their enemy. With that said, there was also less of a personal attachment to what Jean did in DPS bc he had only heard about what she had done to the D'Bari and that was only a few hours earier. Compare that to M'Day...he had been living with the consequences of Wanda's action for like a year or so. Her victims were those he was personally attached to. Of course there may be a bias there. Thats not shocking and speaks true of a human emotion
    This makes him a hypocrite, and also wrong. He should be called out on it, not normalised.

    I mean, you would have to be a sociopath or The Watcher to not have different bias.
    That'd mean he'd be able to transfer empathy and compassion to other people in those situations, it's the opposite of sociopathy. It's not like other characters haven't done this. It reeks of "Got mine, F*** you" mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    This makes him a hypocrite, and also wrong. He should be called out on it, not normalised.
    He's not a hypocrite on this basis. I dont know why you and other supporters keep bringing up CC. Regardless of what he may have felt going into this story once Wanda's plight was explained he ultimately agreed to leave her alone bc the Life Force was thrown out there as a possibility for what led to her actions. There was nothing wrong for him to be emotionally charged given what she did to his people but he was rationale enough to fall back and accept what happened with her. Scott let it go and 8 years later he has not gone back on that.

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    Frankly, as even Scott noted, killing her doesn't really solve much.

    She was mentally broken by the events, causing her to become AWOL, wander around the world without any memories before being picked up by Doom, who knowing who she was, proceeded to turn her into his fiancee if not bride, (which is uncomfortable when you think about it). When her memories were restored, she, Doom and Wiccan almost immediately set to work undoing M-Day. Doom upon receiving those powers himself by accident, and rather than immediately restoring the Mutant Population which was the entire point, soon ended up in a fight with the Heroes and killed a teenager who just got her dad back, (who his inverted self restored).

    Whether we think Doom was telling the truth or not, he undeniably used Wanda when she was at her lowest, and used her powers to kill yet another person (this time not only a friend of Wanda's children, but also the child of one of Wanda's victims).

    While Wanda should definitely show more guilt, it's pretty clear that she suffered as an indirect result of her crimes. Killing her, now that she no longer had the powers that made her so dangerous, would need to be done after a trial.

    A trial that unfortunately at the time, the X-Men had no way of legitimately holding since they had no sovereign state at the time and the matter being worldwide. Now however, they could hold a trial, but as rules are still being established, they would have to deal with the legally grey issues of the crime first (like establishing if Mass Depowering counts as Genocide, especially given the fact that a Mutant killing a Mutant is not a crime to Krokoans). It's a fascinating idea to explore.

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    Force her to watch the crucible.

    See her disgust. And then tell her this is all because of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChangingStation View Post
    Frankly, as even Scott noted, killing her doesn't really solve much.

    She was mentally broken by the events, causing her to become AWOL, wander around the world without any memories before being picked up by Doom, who knowing who she was, proceeded to turn her into his fiancee if not bride, (which is uncomfortable when you think about it). When her memories were restored, she, Doom and Wiccan almost immediately set to work undoing M-Day. Doom upon receiving those powers himself by accident, and rather than immediately restoring the Mutant Population which was the entire point, soon ended up in a fight with the Heroes and killed a teenager who just got her dad back, (who his inverted self restored).

    Whether we think Doom was telling the truth or not, he undeniably used Wanda when she was at her lowest, and used her powers to kill yet another person (this time not only a friend of Wanda's children, but also the child of one of Wanda's victims).

    While Wanda should definitely show more guilt, it's pretty clear that she suffered as an indirect result of her crimes. Killing her, now that she no longer had the powers that made her so dangerous, would need to be done after a trial.

    A trial that unfortunately at the time, the X-Men had no way of legitimately holding since they had no sovereign state at the time and the matter being worldwide. Now however, they could hold a trial, but as rules are still being established, they would have to deal with the legally grey issues of the crime first (like establishing if Mass Depowering counts as Genocide, especially given the fact that a Mutant killing a Mutant is not a crime to Krokoans). It's a fascinating idea to explore.
    Agreed completely
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferro View Post
    do they ever speak, interact or even share a class?
    Then it's likely it's because strange asked, not because magik likes her.
    Wanda, Magik, and Strange are in a poly.
    “The Scarlet Witch is the only thing that will scare them. It’s the only thing they’ll respect.” - Hope Summers, Avengers vs X-Men #7

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARkadelphia View Post
    Wanda, Magik, and Strange are in a poly.
    If she's in any poly is with kitty rachel with dani and xian on the side

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