Should Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch stand trial for House of M ?

[ExodusCloak]

Secret Wars Gerry Duggan - saved the Universe
Secret Invasion X-Men took down the Psi Blockade which was planetary and a major asset to the Skrulls
X/4 saved the Earth from an alien invasion
Phoenix Warsong saved the Earth from the Stepford Cuckoo hive and took down Celeste
New Avengers protected the Earth from the Sentry
Utopia you could argue she stalled the Void from mutants but we would have consumed the Earth
New X-Men dealt with Cassandra Nova who was an interplanetary threat, protected mutants and the Earth from her
Gen X outwitted Nightmare from gaining access to the Earth realm
Gothiga that zombie fish alien invasion thing from Adjectivless. Stopped an alien invasion to Earth
Secret Empire played a pivotal role in stopping Steevil
Pixie Strikes back stopped a demon invasion
Also free comics book day :- Stopped a demon invasion
HoM protected everyone present Wandas multiversal spell the second time with the aid of Dr Strange as per Dr Strange
Astonishing X-Men Xenogenesis: MJJ and the Furies

There's a lot more too that's just off the top of my head

Besides everytime someone can't defend Wandas actions they pivot to someone else.

HoM was used as a launch pad for many stories and Marvel Cosmic. As a result Wanda was responsible for the Chaos Wave and thus weakened reality so Annihilation, for the Fault, for giving Nimrod the opening he needed to exterminate mutants. For a hell of a lot of stuff. Its actually so ridiculous how many stories came out of Bendis event

[Micabe]

Secret Wars Gerry Duggan - saved the Universe
Secret Invasion X-Men took down the Psi Blockade which was planetary and a major asset to the Skrulls
X/4 saved the Earth from an alien invasion
Phoenix Warsong saved the Earth from the Stepford Cuckoo hive and took down Celeste
New Avengers protected the Earth from the Sentry
Utopia you could argue she stalled the Void from mutants but we would have consumed the Earth
New X-Men dealt with Cassandra Nova who was an interplanetary threat, protected mutants and the Earth from her
Gen X outwitted Nightmare from gaining access to the Earth realm
Gothiga that zombie fish alien invasion thing from Adjectivless. Stopped an alien invasion to Earth
Secret Empire played a pivotal role in stopping Steevil
Pixie Strikes back stopped a demon invasion
Also free comics book day :- Stopped a demon invasion
HoM protected everyone present Wandas multiversal spell the second time with the aid of Dr Strange as per Dr Strange
Astonishing X-Men Xenogenesis: MJJ and the Furies

There's a lot more too that's just off the top of my head

Besides everytime someone can't defend Wandas actions they pivot to someone else.

HoM was used as a launch pad for many stories and Marvel Cosmic. As a result Wanda was responsible for the Chaos Wave and thus weakened reality so Annihilation, for the Fault, for giving Nimrod the opening he needed to exterminate mutants. For a hell of a lot of stuff. Its actually so ridiculous how many stories came out of Bendis event

Noted... Thanks

[Steel Inquisitor]

Secret Wars Gerry Duggan - saved the Universe
Secret Invasion X-Men took down the Psi Blockade which was planetary and a major asset to the Skrulls
X/4 saved the Earth from an alien invasion
Phoenix Warsong saved the Earth from the Stepford Cuckoo hive and took down Celeste
New Avengers protected the Earth from the Sentry
Utopia you could argue she stalled the Void from mutants but we would have consumed the Earth
New X-Men dealt with Cassandra Nova who was an interplanetary threat, protected mutants and the Earth from her
Gen X outwitted Nightmare from gaining access to the Earth realm
Gothiga that zombie fish alien invasion thing from Adjectivless. Stopped an alien invasion to Earth
Secret Empire played a pivotal role in stopping Steevil
Pixie Strikes back stopped a demon invasion
Also free comics book day :- Stopped a demon invasion
HoM protected everyone present Wandas multiversal spell the second time with the aid of Dr Strange as per Dr Strange
Astonishing X-Men Xenogenesis: MJJ and the Furies

There's a lot more too that's just off the top of my head

This was helpful. It's to bad when people are too lazy to defend their own arguments themselves.

Besides everytime someone can't defend Wandas actions they pivot to someone else.

There's more nuance on Wanda's side than you're allowing. It's a valid move to go to examples of what other characters do, and we don't simply need to do more than one to accomplish this. The problem is that what Wanda did is irrelevant - people hated Wanda before House of M and they'd hate her after it. They did't care what she did in Avengers: Disassembled until HOM, it was just the Avengers. The fact is that every single mutant in the X-line who's done something horrible, in large or small scope, is forgiven for every thing they did, their nuances are accepted because the characters are liked, that's all there is too it. It's not about Cyclops being more innocent than Wanda its that they like him more so he gets to kill whoever he wants and live happily ever after.

HoM was used as a launch pad for many stories and Marvel Cosmic. As a result Wanda was responsible for the Chaos Wave and thus weakened reality so Annihilation, for the Fault, for giving Nimrod the opening he needed to exterminate mutants. For a hell of a lot of stuff. Its actually so ridiculous how many stories came out of Bendis event

True, but it's also based on bad writing and Bendis' wrote her as mentally compromised.

[Ferro]

He wasn't nice in that encounter, despite the fact he's someone who should be incredibly sympathetic. It's like getting a lecture by John Constantine about making deals with demons.



A big reason House of M occurred in the first place is because he knew how badly Wanda was getting, post-Life Force, and waited until everything was over in Avengers: Disassembled before popping in and giving exposition to the minute detail about what happened and he didn't warn a single person about it. Including Wanda. She really needs better mentors from the magic community to give her the attention she needs.

He doesnt need to be nice when hes doing his job, wanda doesnt deserve soft handling or sympathy for her abuse of power, neither does strange for his mistakes for the record and he has paid dearly each time, deservingly so!
Wanda just needs to stop being what jean grey called her in teen jean's solo, " A textbook narcissist addicted to chaos", and take several steps back.

[GenericUsername]

He doesnt need to be nice when hes doing his job, wanda doesnt deserve soft handling or sympathy for her abuse of power, neither does strange for his mistakes for the record and he has paid dearly each time, deservingly so!
Wanda just needs to stop being what jean grey called her in teen jean's solo, " A textbook narcissist addicted to chaos", and take several steps back.

The fact that the books would describe her like that proves why they've gotten her so wrong since Bendis got a hold of her. Wanda needs rebooted with no link to the x-side.

[GenericUsername]

HoM was used as a launch pad for many stories and Marvel Cosmic. As a result Wanda was responsible for the Chaos Wave and thus weakened reality so Annihilation, for the Fault, for giving Nimrod the opening he needed to exterminate mutants. For a hell of a lot of stuff. Its actually so ridiculous how many stories came out of Bendis event

Which shows that Marvel isn't as progressive as they claim, since they launched a bunch of stories off their sexist and perhaps racist and xenophobic event.

[Project Initiative Cascada]

The fact that the books would describe her like that proves why they've gotten her so wrong since Bendis got a hold of her. Wanda needs rebooted with no link to the x-side.

I agree. As a Wanda fan, the current 616 version is beyond repair thanks to Marvel Editorial doing nothing to truly redeem her. Hell, as lazy and trite the as the original Dark Phoenix Saga retcon was, it would’ve actually at least been somewhat better if they applied that to Wanda too to absolve the Decimation/Disassembled responsibility and Bendis’ godawful character assassination. They couldn’t just say Wanda was replaced and cloned by the Chthon or some dark anti-mutant force when she was written to do those unforgivable acts? I mean yeah it would’ve been lazy and uninspired writing, but it’s still somewhat respectable redemption for the character. Way too late for that now but agreed, a reboot is the only form of recovery sadly for her.

[BroHomo]

This was helpful. It's to bad when people are too lazy to defend their own arguments themselves.

Asking someone to list every single time a superhero behaved heroically isn't lazy? Just read!

There's more nuance on Wanda's side than you're allowing. It's a valid move to go to examples of what other characters do, and we don't simply need to do more than one to accomplish this. The problem is that what Wanda did is irrelevant - people hated Wanda before House of M and they'd hate her after it. They did't care what she did in Avengers: Disassembled until HOM, it was just the Avengers. The fact is that
here every single mutant in the X-line who's done something horrible, in large or small scope, is forgiven for every thing they did, their nuances are accepted because the characters are liked, that's all there is too it. It's not about Cyclops being more innocent than Wanda its that they like him more so he gets to kill whoever he wants and live happily ever after.

Besides everytime someone can't defend Wandas actions they pivot to someone else.

Did you see the pivot?

[Steel Inquisitor]

He doesnt need to be nice when hes doing his job, wanda doesnt deserve soft handling or sympathy for her abuse of power, neither does strange for his mistakes for the record and he has paid dearly each time, deservingly so!
Wanda just needs to stop being what jean grey called her in teen jean's solo, " A textbook narcissist addicted to chaos", and take several steps back.

They're supposed to be friends and colleagues, and why wouldn't he nice to her? Dr. Strange isn't supposed to be an apathetic jerk. Of course she deserves respect and sympathy to stay on the right track. Dr. Strange isn't getting insulted by merely existing, Wanda is and when he mistreats Wanda it's encouraged. For a man who could have ended things before they began had he done his job properly before Avengers: Disassembled. Mistakes? He endangered the universe more than once with his deals. It's not like he got a magic speeding ticket.

Ironic considering adult Jean went through the same sort of ideal as Dark Phoenix.

[gurkle]

The implication in "Avengers Disassembled" was not that Strange hadn't done his job but that the Avengers didn't do theirs: if they had mentioned to him that Wanda was using this "chaos magic" he would have been able to tell them that it didn't exist, and they never told Strange about the incident with Wanda's children turning out to be imaginary, and because Wanda was so busy as an Avenger, she never had time to study with Strange and figure out how to control her powers, etc.

The whole scene was B.S., especially Strange's speech about how Wanda was always an unstable time bomb waiting to snap, etc. (And while I don't actually care about "chaos magic" Bendis himself had Strange say Wanda's powers were "chaos magic" two years after saying it didn't exist. He just didn't care about getting details consistent even in his own work.) There are some interesting ideas in there, especially the idea that the superhero lifestyle encourages characters like Wanda to go out and use their powers in battle before they figure out how those powers work. But it never really went anywhere because Disassembled/House of M were not about Wanda and she didn't appear much in either story.

I don't know where Hickman is going after this miniseries is over but so far it seems like he's going with the idea of Wanda as an amateur screwup and Strange as the frustrated professional... which isn't entirely an unfair characterization, to be fair, I just wish writers like Bendis and Hickman didn't feel compelled to make Wanda look bad.

Edit: From an X-Men point of view, it would be interesting for a story to explore whether Wanda and Pietro made a mistake by joining the Avengers instead of going with Xavier and the X-Men. They leave the Brotherhood and then a month later they're on the Avengers, trying to break into mainstream heroism instead of joining another mutant team. But would Wanda's troubles with her powers have been less if she had joined Xavier's private army, where at least some of the training is about helping people understand their powers? A writer could go either way with this; if you accept the retcon that her powers were always a form of magic that even Strange didn't know about, then Xavier might not have been able to help at all. But at least that would be a question that "House of M" could have asked if it had been about Wanda. But, alas...

[Thundershot]

The implication in "Avengers Disassembled" was not that Strange hadn't done his job but that the Avengers didn't do theirs: if they had mentioned to him that Wanda was using this "chaos magic" he would have been able to tell them that it didn't exist, and they never told Strange about the incident with Wanda's children turning out to be imaginary, and because Wanda was so busy as an Avenger, she never had time to study with Strange and figure out how to control her powers, etc.

The whole scene was B.S., especially Strange's speech about how Wanda was always an unstable time bomb waiting to snap, etc. (And while I don't actually care about "chaos magic" Bendis himself had Strange say Wanda's powers were "chaos magic" two years after saying it didn't exist. He just didn't care about getting details consistent even in his own work.) There are some interesting ideas in there, especially the idea that the superhero lifestyle encourages characters like Wanda to go out and use their powers in battle before they figure out how those powers work. But it never really went anywhere because Disassembled/House of M were not about Wanda and she didn't appear much in either story.

I don't know where Hickman is going after this miniseries is over but so far it seems like he's going with the idea of Wanda as an amateur screwup and Strange as the frustrated professional... which isn't entirely an unfair characterization, to be fair, I just wish writers like Bendis and Hickman didn't feel compelled to make Wanda look bad.

Maybe in a few years they can bring Kurt Busiek in to clean her up.

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[BroHomo]

Bruuuuuh this sh!t had me Cracking DaFuq up!!!

who knew that Tyra Banks was the black Jean Grey that Bishop deserves and we all want???