Should Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch stand trial for House of M ?

[Alan2099]

Sinister was responsible for marauders massacring Morlocks. really great dude

Sinister did "no more mutants" before Wanda did it.

Except when he did it it was with the intention of as many people getting hurt as possible. And he wasn't sorry about it.

Sinister is explicitly a deal with the devil that Xavier and Magneto made, one that Moira was unaware of and did not approve of. His database with the DNA backup of every mutant is one of the building blocks necessary for the resurrection protocols to work which are themselves a core component of the run if not the nation of Krakoa itself. Also I have no doubt that there will be a price for his inclusion to be paid later.

As to is he a mutant? Yes.No.Maybe.but really who cares? Comic book science isn't real it's is magic by another name so all we can state with any certainty is that he is accepted as a mutant. Its also entirely possible that there will be a cost for that as well or else why bring up who's DNA he spliced to get that result.

It actually really does matter in the context of the X-books. Right now they're willing to forgive anyone that's a mutant and are quick to judge anyone that isn't.

Except Sinister isn't a mutant and they're doing the exact opposite of judging him.

So basically it turns into "All mutants are standing together ... and this one guy that helps us." So do other people get a free pass for helping mutants? Not that we've seen so far. Dr. Strange did more for mutants than Sinister has and they turned him away. It makes the X-men come across as either hypocrites or idiots. Maybe both.

[Nigel909]

Sinister did "no more mutants" before Wanda did it.

Except when he did it it was with the intention of as many people getting hurt as possible. And he wasn't sorry about it.




It actually really does matter in the context of the X-books. Right now they're willing to forgive anyone that's a mutant and are quick to judge anyone that isn't.

Except Sinister isn't a mutant and they're doing the exact opposite of judging him.

So basically it turns into "All mutants are standing together ... and this one guy that helps us." So do other people get a free pass for helping mutants? Not that we've seen so far. Dr. Strange did more for mutants than Sinister has and they turned him away. It makes the X-men come across as either hypocrites or idiots. Maybe both.

Just looked back and checked on that (Dr Strange is my favourite Marvel character)
He wasn't exactly turned away.
Pyro challenged him and was almost instantly pacified by a bottle of beer.
Kid Cable then told him humans were not welcome.
When a more senior mutant arrived she was perfectly cordial and shut the kids up.

So not a warm welcome ,far from it ,but not turned away.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Cyclops was sent to die in a prison with no trial, so is it really a 1:1 comparison? He did run away, but he was killed by the mists and had his name villified worldwide for something he actually did not and editorial made an entire storyline about him taking the blame for everything and being suicidal. Wanda is just getting the part of being villified and it isn't even on the same scale, is it? She's only villified by mutants. If humans find out she was never a mutant and she helped push them further into extinction, she'd probably be loved by most regular humans in-universe lol

Unless that was a Krakatoa prison, no. Vilification didn't stop the various other criminals living in Krakatoa get a pardon and become equals to the X-men, Wanda gets propaganda to be the boogieman of the island. Had Wanda been Cyclops' wife we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[hulkling]

Betsy being in Kwannon's body for decades never once made her Asian.

Sinister stealing WARPATH's DNA does not make him a mutant.

I know one's a fake made up minority and another isn't, but from their perspective, it should be as equally fucked.

anyone could be a mutant with a bit of Genetic manipulation. Literally having mutant genes makes you a mutant.

[Kisinith]

Sinister did "no more mutants" before Wanda did it.

Except when he did it it was with the intention of as many people getting hurt as possible. And he wasn't sorry about it.




It actually really does matter in the context of the X-books. Right now they're willing to forgive anyone that's a mutant and are quick to judge anyone that isn't.

Except Sinister isn't a mutant and they're doing the exact opposite of judging him.

So basically it turns into "All mutants are standing together ... and this one guy that helps us." So do other people get a free pass for helping mutants? Not that we've seen so far. Dr. Strange did more for mutants than Sinister has and they turned him away. It makes the X-men come across as either hypocrites or idiots. Maybe both.

You are partially right, the thesis for Krakoa was that separately the mutants all struggle but fail and are killed off by the machines and post-humanity. So yes, In order to combat that they are "trying" for mutant unity. That together they might succeed where apart they failed. That does mean there has been a bit of a devils bargain made. Will it work? Is it worth it? No idea, too early to tell.

What we can say is that tolerance is not simply given freely, their past sins are being overlooked but in order to continue they have to adhere to the new norms established by Krakoan law. Is this good? again probably not but it isn't necessarily evil either... Its complex, someone like Sinister or Mystique strikes me as a time bomb waiting to go off, something supported by the story. Others... Pyro, Gorgan, Exodus and Black Tom for example, they seem to have bought in.

For the last part, they kind of did give humanity a pass. They aren't taking action for past sins, nor are they being particularly aggressive. Most everything done (admittedly outside of Apocalypse and Excalibur) has been defensive in nature. Even the Davos manifesto was aimed exclusively at anti-mutant bigots. So you can make a case that even humanity has been given a reprieve.
The Krakoans have also been shown to have no particular problem with non-violent humans, working alongside and protecting them. This includes their allies as shown in X-Force, nations and governments as shown in X-Men and Excalibur, and saving innocents as shown in Fallen Angels. In fact the only things they apparently aren't so ok with, are those working against them, anti-mutant terrorists and people showing up unexpectedly and uninvited in Krakoa itself. Its not exactly as unreasonable, idiotic or hypocritical as you seem to want to portray it as

[spirit2011]

Unless that was a Krakatoa prison, no. Vilification didn't stop the various other criminals living in Krakatoa get a pardon and become equals to the X-men, Wanda gets propaganda to be the boogieman of the island. Had Wanda been Cyclops' wife we wouldn't be having this conversation.

she would be dead by now

anyone could be a mutant with a bit of Genetic manipulation. Literally having mutant genes makes you a mutant.

so being amutant is nothing relaly special

[Woozie]

anyone could be a mutant with a bit of Genetic manipulation. Literally having mutant genes makes you a mutant.

That completely destroys the narrative.

[Steel Inquisitor]

she would be dead by now

[/QUOTE]

Never stopped Jean before, why would it now?

[spirit2011]

That completely destroys the narrative.

Yep. Better h=just say tha tsinister is there because of his genetic bank

[Tazpocalapse]

I have not read the thread yet, so some of my questions concerning a trial may have already been addressed. I think if a trial is had all evidence would have to be carefully dissected. A clear timeline of events established and discovery of intent presented. The trial would call several witnesses that were key players involved that lead up to the incident including Prof X , Magneto, and Quicksilver. The mental state of the accused should also be seriously considered as well as the mental health history of several others involved.

Now we get into the AU aspects of this situation that resulted in the devastation.Many characters lived lives that were different from their 616 origins, these factors should be added into any evidence, this also opens the door of presenting evidence of the actions of Wanda in other known AUs that have had longstanding repercussions in the 616.

In this unusual case paranormal probability manipulation and universal scale reality warping, would cause courts to widen parameters and proceedings.

Now we come to the question of Judge and Jury. What being could have the wisdom to judge this case and make a decision? The jury, what would be considered a jury of peers to Wanda now? The question is was she ever a mutant? Is she a mutant? If she is going to be judged by a jury of her peers? what type of people would be on the jury?

My final question is, would Wanda be bought to trial by Krakoa in a Krakoan court or some other type of legal system?

[GenericUsername]

Now we come to the question of Judge and Jury. What being could have the wisdom to judge this case and make a decision? The jury, what would be considered a jury of peers to Wanda now? The question is was she ever a mutant? Is she a mutant? If she is going to be judged by a jury of her peers? what type of people would be on the jury?

As it stands now she was never a mutant. She just didn't know magically until AXIS. It's claimed in UA that followed that the High Evolutionary deceived the twins. But lots of good questions about who the jury would be. Because it couldn't be people that were directly impacted or know her well.

[BroHomo]

This thread is still off track? lol Instead addressing ball the shitty genocidal actions during HoM. Wanda's Defenfers keep putting up strawman arguments about past crimes different actual Mutants have Done. Or blaming everyone but the kitchen sink for MDay, From Magneto and Xavier to Cyclops, it Patriot, lobbing blame across the board. In one sense it's denying her agency "once again" and doesn't do anything to change the fact that....
A) Wanda trusted a villain to empower her with some esoteric cosmic power to steal souls to remake her fake kids
B) Wandaunfairly and without provocation blamed Mutants for her not so troubled past
C) Wanda uttered 'No More Mutants' after creating whole army's of Ultrons& A totally different Reality. she knew that her words were affecting Reality... didn't know the how but she knew there'd be less Mutants
D) Wanda's MDay spell affected the whole multiverse calculating the amount of deaths because of 3 words is impossible.
E) Wanda continues to be flippiant willfully ignorant of the repercussions of her actions.
The title of this thread should be. "Other bad things X-Characters have done that absolve Wanda from MDay" but clickbait is a thing

[LordAllMIghty]

I wonder if Magneto would still come to her defense if there was a trail?

[spirit2011]

This thread is still off track? lol Instead addressing ball the shitty genocidal actions during HoM. Wanda's Defenfers keep putting up strawman arguments about past crimes different actual Mutants have Done. Or blaming everyone but the kitchen sink for MDay, From Magneto and Xavier to Cyclops, it Patriot, lobbing blame across the board. In one sense it's denying her agency "once again" and doesn't do anything to change the fact that....
A) Wanda trusted a villain to empower her with some esoteric cosmic power to steal souls to remake her fake kids

Doom had helped FF with Valeria before

B) Wandaunfairly and without provocation blamed Mutants for her not so troubled past
C) Wanda uttered 'No More Mutants' after creating whole army's of Ultrons& A totally different Reality. she knew that her words were affecting Reality... didn't know the how but she knew there'd be less Mutants

Emma wanted to kill her. What a way to trigger someone
She may knew, but she didn't had the scope of the problem she was causing. She was under a lot of emotional distress to know the consequences

D) Wanda's MDay spell affected the whole multiverse calculating the amount of deaths because of 3 words is impossible.

It barely killed people

E) Wanda continues to be flippiant willfully ignorant of the repercussions of her actions.
The title of this thread should be. "Other bad things X-Characters have done that absolve Wanda from MDay" but clickbait is a thing

She offered herself to return the mutant powers, but Scott wanted to kill her.

She undid part of it with Hope, what allowed new mutants to return

people need to get over this

[Cruelrain]

If she's not a mutant Krakoa has no right to persecute her

If she's a mutant Krakoa's memo is to pardon all mutants for their previous crimes

The queen will be free either way.

Here's the asnwer