Should Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch stand trial for House of M ?

[LordAllMIghty]

Funny the vote is really close.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

She was possessed after she took the life force. She was calculating and able to rationalise and form a very clear plan to get the life force by avoiding Strange before that.

She never states that she wanted the Life Force. She just went to Doom for help with dark magic. That’s not very “calculated”.

Doom knew more about the ritual for the Life Force than Wanda, hence he took advantage of her situation. He even further planned to use her and her Life Force possession after AD/M-Day.

[AJpyro]

Honestly, Im mad everyone didn't gang up and beat up Doom. He murdered a young girl in front of a bunch of Heroes.

[GenericUsername]

Honestly, Im mad everyone didn't gang up and beat up Doom. He murdered a young girl in front of a bunch of Heroes.

I think it was because he had the life force at that moment. But Scott Lang did make it his mission to go after him. They just didn't do it in this story. But in Fraction's FF.

[Huntsman Spider]

I think it was because he had the life force at that moment. But Scott Lang did make it his mission to go after him. They just didn't do it in this story. But in Fraction's FF.

And then, if AXIS did anything worthwhile with its existence, an Inverted Doom who saw the error of his ways resurrected Cassie in a tie-in issue.

[AJpyro]

I think it was because he had the life force at that moment. But Scott Lang did make it his mission to go after him. They just didn't do it in this story. But in Fraction's FF.

Like that has stopped Heroes from charging after bad guys before.

[GenericUsername]

Like that has stopped Heroes from charging after bad guys before.

It just wouldn't be smart. There were more kids there than Cassie. I could have created more deaths. Scott actually did the responsible thing by going after him later, after he didn't have the life force anymore.

[Havok83]

Like that has stopped Heroes from charging after bad guys before.

That hasnt stopped stupid heroes from charging after bad guys before

[king of hybrids]

Because Marvel has this weird need to show Doom as not being that bad

Also, he was apparently the compromise source of blame after Bendis kept trying to stick his nose in and Heinberg went over his head to Disney, no?

[Steel Inquisitor]

Because Marvel has this weird need to show Doom as not being that bad

Also, he was apparently the compromise source of blame after Bendis kept trying to stick his nose in and Heinberg went over his head to Disney, no?

Did Bendis want that to fall on Wanda, as well? Has her read any Avengers comics with Scarlet Witch that weren't from the Byrne run?

[Steel Inquisitor]

This is to continue a conversation with Veitha over the fate of Scarlet Witch.

In-universe, Scott didn't get any pass, and nor did the other Phoenix 5, but Scott got it worse. In the meantime, Wanda wasn't punished for what she did and she wasn't even put under trial. So no, she wasn't blamed fully and she faced nothing if not some hateful words by the X-Men. She got a completely clean state as if nothing happened, even though she brought an entire species to the brink of extinction and had a lot of people die. That's the difference between her and Scott or her and other X-men who have dwelled into grey areas.

Don't omit what you thought out of universe, you gave him a pass - I didn't for Wanda. Wanda's been getting pushback for her actions (post-Bendis) for years, both in the Avengers and X-men. She can't even get in Scott's presence without him trying to yell at her, she's had other X-men try to turn the Avengers against her (Uncanny Avengers) and when she tried to surrender to the X-men in Children's Crusade they were two seconds from cruficiying her on the spot. It got so bad Magneto and the X-men had to protect her from their rage. Rictor, who she restored his powers to, tried to calm them down and his protests we're ignored.

For context, panels before this Wanda was surrendering to the X-men before Magneto and the Avengers intervened. The X-men were out for blood. Specially, Wanda's.



A rare moment where Magneto acts like a proper father and the rational person in the room, among the X-men.

The X-men don't dwell in grey areas, they live in them. Off the clock Wolverine's killing people left and right in his own titles, and that's not getting into his history when he was brainwashed by the Hand where he murdered numerous SHIELD agents on Gorgons orders, when he was brainwashed by Romulus, or how he tried to murder Xavier when he first him and so on.

https://www.cbr.com/the-abandoned-an...g-the-x-men/2/

https://www.cbr.com/wild-wolverine-origin/

I'd need an entire thread to get through the rest of the X-men.

See below for what Rogue did to her in Uncanny Avengers.

The P5 and Wanda were both ovewhelmed by external forces, but she pursued forbidden knowledge for her own selfish means, while the P5 were pretty much victims of the circumstances. The P5 also solved all of Earth's problems but oh well they're supervillains.

And Wanda wasn't a victim when she was overwhelmed by powers out of her control and her brother's manipulations? I'd say the Phoenix rates as a thing of "forbidden knowledge." It eats planets. It's a peer of Galactus. They conquered the world and had more than one super-hero team fighting them. P5 Magik dumped Carol Danvers into hell and when Rogue tried to rescue her she dumped her into an unknown world for months and didn't bother trying to get her back - that was the punishment for disobeying a P5, when they're friendly. Think about what Magik would have done to Rogue had they been enemies.

Also, Scott was under the influence of the Phoenix Force and we know that Jean has killed a whole planet when under Phoenix influence and she was a much better host than Scott. So saying that him killing Xavier is only because of rage is plain untrue and biased. It was shown on page that each piece of the Phoenix that was added to a host kept driving them crazier and crazier. And nothing was forgiven for Scott, he was sent to prison, he was hated by his teammates for years and he became a wanted criminal. Wanda killed a bunch of people, almost drove mutants extinct but oh well she had a bad day.

And Wanda was under the influence of the Life Force, mentally under distress and manipulated by Quicksilver. Did you think Scott deserved that, because you phrasing suggests you aren't. I can accept Wanda should have faced legal punishment for what she did, and so does Wanda - she voluntarily gave herself up to the X-men in Children's Crusade. Why should Scott get a free pass for that destruction? It's not like he was doing nothing with that power, he conquered the world and killed Xavier up close. Both the X-men and Avengers tried to stop him and the Phoenix Five, just like with Wanda. Calling what Wanda did "a bad day" is an understatement.

Of course Rogue didn't trust her! Have you read anything post Decimation? Because of Wanda there were exploding busses full of children and she showed no remorse whatsoever, even acted cocky about her actions. And let's not turn that into Wanda paying for her sins. Rogue didn't kill her to avenge mutants but to stop her from what she was doing. She was wrong but that doesn't change the motif of her actions. And also it was all erased.

Rogue's problems weren't about distrust, it was about murderous intent and she didn't flinch at murdering her. Over Wolverine's orders. Given her own history with the Brotherhood and accidentally destroying lives you'd think she'd find Wanda's predicament more understandable, but nope. Wanda wasn't the one blowing those kids up, she made a huge mistake that she's remorseful about, which was taken advantage of by violent zealots - it's not the mutant community wasn't under threat by mutant bigots before M-Day. That's a routine week being an X-men, where the mansion gets blown up every six months and there will be a Sentinel attack just around the corner at any given moment.

Sure Rogue did, she was relishing that moment like she'd wanted to do for a while and she got her wish. Death equals redemption so why are you and at Wanda now? She paid for it on Rogue's bloody claws. Thats why I bought Jean up, do you think she still needs to pay for the Phoenix genocide? The fact that her death got nullified didn't mean Rogue didn't kill her in canon.

I have yet to hear how Wanda can be cleansed when her death isn't a factor in payment. It's not like she can rely on Krakoa resurrecting her like the X-men do.

Your silence on Magneto's involvement with Wanda speaks volumes. Is he really a bad guy now, since he's protected her twice from violence once her powers got out of control: Avengers: Disassembled and Children's Crusade?

[Ferro]

The phoenix was an accident and not activly seeked out by the PH5, but you know what type of power requires preparation, practise and the meticulous acquisition of resources to achieve a result?
Magic, the magic wanda seeked for selfish reasons and ended up lashing out at inocent people over her grievances and bitterness, first the avengers and then the entire concept of mutant kind who, in her most stripped and raw state, she always shows nothing but contempt and spite towards.

She is a villain retconed into a heroes guise and she be at least would be much better as a fully fledged villain than the hypocritical and facetious mess we have now, no amount of excuses and attempts to blame doom, (for a situation he wasnt even on the earth at the time to cause or even witness it, and gave him no benefit or any logical assets) will change that.

[JasmineW]

The Pretender's time is coming.

[davetvs]

This would all be so much more interesting if they'd re-re-retcon the twins into being Magneto's kids. The daughter of Magneto being a self-hating mutant? Gold. Some random experiment of the High Evolutionary or a random witch or whoever's they are now? Eh.

[Ferro]

This would all be so much more interesting if they'd re-re-retcon the twins into being Magneto's kids. The daughter of Magneto being a self-hating mutant? Gold. Some random experiment of the High Evolutionary or a random witch or whoever's they are now? Eh.

the narrative would change from evil human to : "this is what happens when mutants spend too much time with humans witout any conection to other mutants "