Should Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch stand trial for House of M ?

[Veitha]

storm is a cultural icon, wanda is hot topic jean grey at her most popular incarnation

Yeah and this too.

[Ferro]

The shade at me now!



Well Wanda has been pretty much irrelevant in the comics as a character for 10+ years though, if not more. Last good thing she did was doing yoga. She got even dropped out of Uncanny Avengers and completely outshined by Rogue there.

The Pretender moniker might actually be good to her.

rogue became an avengers leader before wand, its so funny.

[Veitha]

Magneto’s a villain right now.
Apocalypse, Emma Frost, Exodus, Mr. Sinister, Mystique, Sebastian Shaw...all villains. No matter how much lipstick you put on the pig that is Krakoa, it’s still a pig. The QC aren’t heroes doing heroic things, they’re villains trying to get the most out of their current situation.

Lol don't drag Emma into this. She's saved the planet and the universe more times than Wanda ever did, she's got an inferior body count to her and she's mostly been killing horses and fraudulent sisters in her worst days.

[Riv86672]

well that and rather or not said character is guilty of attempted genocide
:/

Magneto, Apocalypse, Mister Sinister, all are guilty of trying and failing to commit genocide.
It’s not Wanda’s fault she beat them at their own, purposeful game, while not even in her right mind.

Lol don't drag Emma into this. She's saved the planet and the universe more times than Wanda ever did, she's got an inferior body count to her and she's mostly been killing horses and fraudulent sisters in her worst days.

Situational ethics and favoritism are the order of the day for hardcore Wanda haters.
I get it.
Honesty, not so much.

If these fans would just admit they dislike her for her, not so much for actions, which they excuse in characters they do like, a more beneficial conversation could be had going forward.

Until then there’s no real meaningful dialogue to be had, just a lot of hemming and hawing.

[Ferro]

Lol don't drag Emma into this. She's saved the planet and the universe more times than Wanda ever did, she's got an inferior body count to her and she's mostly been killing horses and fraudulent sisters in her worst days.

and she isnt a child murderer, and as we see in the school after the decimation, wanda absolutly is

[Bunch of Coconuts]

storm is a cultural icon, wanda is hot topic jean grey at her most popular incarnation

A “cultural icon” with shitty comic sales.

Once again, your metrics, not mine.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

She's saved the planet and the universe more times than Wanda ever did.

Citation needed.

[Veitha]

and she isnt a child murderer, and as we see in the school after the decimation, wanda absolutly is

Yes. Wanda should know better.

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You need to stop at the fingers.

[Ferro]

A “cultural icon” with shitty comic sales.

Once again, your metrics, not mine.

and you were right, its a bad metric.
But storm even with terrible adaptations is still relevant, wanda got her moment in the mcu and yet the character cant seem to be used in the books, almost like there is no editorial wants and no writer wants to use her unles its zub or as a supporting cast for dr strange, sucks to suck :/
tbh that's what she needs to become like just a supporting cast in dr strange

[Steel Inquisitor]

It is, just dont pretend the x-office is gonna make him a non x-men like the 90's again, wich was the point I was replying to, that stated magneto will "inevitably" return to his old ways,
i will always dislike wanda by principle that she as a character caused immense misery for years on the books across many pages and characters, but I also know they wont treat her as she should be treated, so I just take enjoyment in her not being in any book or used at all.

Magneto's been a super-villain as far back as 2018.

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-blue-magne...hood-revealed/

There have been a few times since the 90's he's returned to be super-villain, are we to pretend that didn't happen?

You dislike her because she was written out of character by editorial mandate to reduce the mutant population. You dislike her because you read House of M and made up your mind without knowing who she really is and are ignoring the circumstances around those events which you'd be forgiving any X-man in her stead because you know them.

Predicting Magneto going back to villainy is simple. For all his progress his future remains as one of the greatest villains the X-men fight.

nah he's actually popular in the books, not a lot of people really care that wanda was gone for like years but magneto is a stapple for years now in the main team.
again, dr strange is more of an avenger than wanda at this point.

Magneto's very popular as a villain. We don't categorize how popular someone is with how evil they are, that's not how this works. They're two seperate subjects. It's true Wanda's not been the most popular character in comics or fiction but that's got nothing to do with her being a villain and her stock is rising thanks to the MCU. They're both Avengers, read stories in their series where she's a super-hero - it's a large backlog. I'll recommend starting with Busiek. Lots of people cared about Wanda when she disappeared, they were Avengers fans. In X-men Blue Magneto was an opponent the 05 fought.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

and you were right, its a bad metric.
But storm even with terrible adaptations is still relevant, wanda got her moment in the mcu and yet the character cant seem to be used in the books, almost like there is no editorial wants and no writer wants to use her unles its zub or as a supporting cast for dr strange, sucks to suck :/
tbh that's what she needs to become like just a supporting cast in dr strange

Don’t hardcore Storm fans basically complain about her just being a support character nowadays?

[Ferro]

Magneto's been a super-villain as far as 2018.

https://www.cbr.com/x-men-blue-magne...hood-revealed/

There have been a few times since the 90's he's returned to be super-villain, are we to pretend that didn't happen?

You dislike her because she was written out of character by editorial mandate to reduce the mutant population. You dislike her because you read House of M and made up your mind without knowing who she really is and are ignoring the circumstances around those events which you'd be forgiving any X-man in her stead because you know them.

Predicting Magneto going back to villainy is simple. For all his progress his future remains as one of the greatest villains the X-men fight.



Magneto's very popular as a villain. We don't categorize how popular someone is with how evil they are, that's not how this works. They're two seperate subjects. It's true Wanda's not been the most popular character in comics or fiction but that's got nothing to do with her being a villain and her stock is rising thanks to the MCU. They're both Avengers, read stories in their series where she's a super-hero - it's a large backlog. I'll recommend starting with Busiek. Lots of people cared about Wanda when she disappeared, they were Avengers fans. In X-men Blue he was an opponent the 05 fought.

the book literaly ends before he can do anything villainous, he was a villain in "name" only then since his brotherhood only shows up in a final page, it literaly went nowhere besides some future flashbacks, he did nothing villainous lol, once again with the nonsensical strawman that has no conection or logic to the issue being discussed.
and condescending comments telling me to read a second hand justice league, thanks but no thanks.

[Veitha]

Citation needed.

Well if you want a list, without counting the countless X-Men missions she's been on where they faced threats to all humanity (Breakworld, the Dreaming Celestial situation, Ghost Boxes and such), we have had her in an active role and also sometimes crucial role in House of M, Secret Invasion, the Sentry situation, Infinity Wars and Secret Empire. Her heroic deeds surpass most of her villainous past nowadays.

But this is off topic. It's just wrong to put her besides Sinister and such.

The villain situation on Krakoa is also pretty much connected to A) survival B) having the resources they need that only some of these villains can provide.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

Well if you want a list, without counting the countless X-Men missions she's been on where they faced threats to all humanity (Breakworld, the Dreaming Celestial situation, Ghost Boxes and such), we have had her in an active role and also sometimes crucial role in House of M, Secret Invasion, the Sentry situation, Infinity Wars and Secret Empire. Her heroic deeds surpass most of her villainous past nowadays.

Ok, but it’s your claim she’s done it more often than Wanda, so the onus to prove that is your responsibility.

[Veitha]

Ok, but it’s your claim she’s done it more often than Wanda, so the onus to prove that is your responsibility.

I did a slight edit.

Are you asking for an Excel tabel with all of their appearances?