Should Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch stand trial for House of M ?

[People Of The Earth]

Emma and Cyclops were judged and sent to prison.

As they should, they deserved it.

Wanda got to walk away for free and literally got zero heat from her actions,

That's false.

except for the X-Men being (rightfully so) mad at her.

The X-Men should have known better, half of them having been possessed by external entities in the past.

The whole talk about possession doesn't mean she's innocent.

It does though.

She went to Doom herself to play with forbidden magics and it resulted in a bunch of people dying.

She didn't went to Doom to play with forbidden magics, she went to Doom to try and resurrect her twin sons.
Doom took advantage of her to try and get the Life Force for himself, which he managed to do months later.

That's what supervillains do.

Then everyone is a supervillain, top to Bottom, since everyone goes out of his/her way to consult people like Doom, Loki or, for the X-Men, Magneto, Apocalypse, Sinister, Dark Beast, and so on and so forth.
Maybe everyone is a supervillain in your eyes though, that's a possibility.

And the P5 were possessed and didn't seek the P Force for themselves, but they were still put under trial.

They were innocents, up until the point they had the Opportunity to release the Phoenix Force to Hope Summers that is.
When they didn't release it to her, when Scott denied her, to her face, the PF, they became responsible of what happened afterward.

This thread is becoming too messy lol.

Rather that talk be contained here, instead of spilling into other threads uselessly.

[Alan2099]

And even the P5 isn’t 100% comparable. Neither Scott nor Wanda wanted to become possessed by their respective “forces”, but Scott was fine with that burden being put on someone else. Without even setting her up with the most qualified person to train her (lol kicking a teenage girl in the uterus prepares her for hosting the Phoenix). So I guess he’s culpable in a lot of ways by way of gross negligence. And it’s always awkward when Magneto, of all people, tells you you’re going overboard.

Saying Cyclops didn't want the Phoenix is kind of misleading. He wanted somebody that would listen to him and do exactly what he said to have the Phoenix. Sure, he didn't want the Phoenix, but it's really just a technicality. He still wanted it's power under his control to do what he wanted it to do, and he really didn't seem to concerned about whether or not Hope could handle it or the risk it posed to the rest of the world.

That's really more villain thinking than hero.

[Will Evans]

You'd like to hope so.

I misspelled that whole sentence.

It should have said “Kurt will try to flirt with her.”

Damn autocorrect

[People Of The Earth]

Well… showing powers is showing that you are 'one of them'…

Being pariahs is what have defined them since the manisfestation of the powers. Rejected by the society, they have found a 'family' with people like them. It's a part of their identity. In a way, they have been 'created' as mutants by people who have rejected them.

They may have not reach their full potential as individual but they are valued as a person just because of what they are. They don't have to do anything special: they are mutants.

And suddenly they are depowered, stripped of their 'identity', they are not 'human' but they are not really 'mutant' anymore. Pariahs among pariahs.

They could have make a group of their own, the group of the 'depowered' but there's this terrible nostalgy and they probably didn't have develop other talents, that could have defined them they could have been proud of… They are depressed people… and easily to manipulate.

All true.
I do Wonder how far down this path it will lead them, because if they define their Identités around having powers (and Krakoa is veering in that direction already), it won't be long before we'll see clashes between mutants with powers deemed useful/essential, and mutants with no powers/useless powers.

If Magneto isn't written as a decent guy (he has thought that Wanda was her daughter during years…), I don't see the point either.

Can he be written that way by Hickman though? He seems to lean into the grandiose supremacist with him, who cares only about the daughter who embrace that superiority wholeheartedly.
Wanda is demonized on the island without Magneto seeming to care at all, it's telling.
The last one who did an interesting Magneto was Cullen Bunn to me, maybe he'd be able to pull it off.

[Ferro]

wanda isnt his daughter why should he care about her? you know who deserves to be cared for? the victims of her actions.
She played with fire and everyone but her got burned.
Off all the wanda defenses I can accept the "bad writting move one" over the " omg why awent you sowwy fwo pwow wanda"
The pity party routtinne anoys me outside and inside the books.

Edit: also saying emma and scott deserved it when wanda seeked out the power to commit her atrocities, but she is inoccent, is the HIGHEST form of hypocrisy, I cannot.

[Bunch of Coconuts]

Saying Cyclops didn't want the Phoenix is kind of misleading. He wanted somebody that would listen to him and do exactly what he said to have the Phoenix. Sure, he didn't want the Phoenix, but it's really just a technicality. He still wanted it's power under his control to do what he wanted it to do, and he really didn't seem to concerned about whether or not Hope could handle it or the risk it posed to the rest of the world.

That's really more villain thinking than hero.

Eh. The Phoenix was coming regardless. Scott’s gross negligence comes from a) ignoring/forgetting that not every encounter with the PF was amicable b) not training Hope properly, the biggest offense being not handing her training over to Rachel c) not monitoring the situation closely (IIRC, the X-Men didn’t even know the PF was destroying other worlds in it’s path); getting Hope off-world to merge with the PF should have been an X-Men spear-headed method d) trusting too much in futuristic prophecy (Cable wound up being an unreliable narrator).

[Havok83]

Emma and Cyclops were judged and sent to prison. Wanda got to walk away for free and literally got zero heat from her actions, except for the X-Men being (rightfully so) mad at her.

They were sent to prison but they werent judged. A trial was never had bc they broke out. IA that Wanda needed to be apprehended like they were

[People Of The Earth]

wanda isnt his daughter why should he care about her?

Don't know if you are tongue-in-cheek with that question, or dead serious.

you know who deserves to be cared for? the victims of her actions.

No one is disputing that I think, though her actions weren't her own to begin with.

She played with fire and everyone but her got burned.

That's false.

Off all the wanda defenses I can accept the "bad writting move one" over the " omg why awent you sowwy fwo pwow wanda"

Idem, no one asked you to be "sorry for poor Wanda".

The pity party routtinne anoys me outside and inside the books.

You know what this thread is about, whether or not Wanda should stand trial Following M-day, yet you've been actively posting here since day one I see… So you mustn't be that annoyed by said "pity party routine" as you put it, or you'd have left this thread a long time ago.
Drop the posturing.

Edit: also saying emma and scott deserved it when wanda seeked out the power to commit her atrocities, but she is inoccent, is the HIGHEST form of hypocrisy,

No, it's sticking to the facts laid bare in the comics, that's all.

I cannot.

Obviously.

[Ichijinijisanji]

going to doom is going for forbidden magics, otherwise you go to strange or agatha harkness

[Alan2099]

going to doom is going for forbidden magics, otherwise you go to strange or agatha harkness

Doom actually knows forms of Magic that Strange and Agatha don't. Not because they're forbidden, but because they've become forgotten and lost to time. Doom has actually used his time machine to go back and study many forgotten magics.

[ExodusCloak]

Wanda stated that she went to Doom as Strange wouldn't approve not because he knows more.

[Will Evans]

Why does Wanda have so low self esteem, that she doesn’t think any red blooded man would jump at the chance to “give” her some kids?

Duh.

[GenericUsername]

Why does Wanda have so low self esteem, that she doesn’t think any red blooded man would jump at the chance to “give” her some kids?

Duh.

She wanted hers' back suddenly. Even though she was written as having worked through that loss 15 years earlier. And they had her also forget that her kids existed again. I think Bendis only read part of that, and stopped when she first lost her sons.

[Journey]

Why does Wanda have so low self esteem, that she doesn’t think any red blooded man would jump at the chance to “give” her some kids?

Duh.

I mean **** she barely pays attention to the kids she has now. Fucked up too since their part of the reason the whole genocide thing happened.

[GenericUsername]

Wanda stated that she went to Doom as Strange wouldn't approve not because he knows more.

Strange apparently did not know more. Because he also claimed that chaos magic didn't exist. Even though he had used it himself.