Should Wanda Maximoff (Scarlet Witch) stand trial for House of M ?.

[Agent Z]

because she is responsible for literal years of suffering to our favorite characthers and she only got a slap on the wrist when she returned, that's why

Please. Most of the characters who were permanently affected by "No More Mutants" were ignored or forgotten about by the X-fandom. It didn't take long for Bobby and Lorna just to name a few to regain their powers despite losing them in M-Day. People just bitch about Wanda so they can add validity to this persecution complex the X-fandom has had ever since Marvel started promoting other properties besides Spider-Man and the X-Men.

[GenericUsername]

because she is responsible for literal years of suffering to our favorite characthers and she only got a slap on the wrist when she returned, that's why

Hate to break it to you, but Marvel seems to feel the x-side needs to suffer regardless. And it has for many years even without Wanda being the culprit. Because the hallmark is suffering and discrimation. And over the years Marvel stories in general have gotten very cynical and dark. Which is why so many heroes have been turned into antagonists or straight out villains, and villains into heroes.

If it weren't Wanda, it'd have been something or someone else. Like it has been.

[Ferro]

Hate to break it to you, but Marvel seems to feel the x-side needs to suffer regardless. And it has for many years even without Wanda being the culprit. Because the hallmark is suffering and discrimation. And over the years Marvel stories in general have gotten very cynical and dark. Which is why so many heroes have been turned into antagonists or straight out villains, and villains into heroes.

If it weren't Wanda, it'd have been something or someone else. Like it has been.

wich would be a normal villain to be destroyed after, cassandra nova got her ass handed to her, so did the purifiers, nimroid, bastion etc, when the cause of said suffering you correctly state is part of the x-men franchise, is put on a pedestal of heroism by her association with the avengers, hence untouchable, it becomes harder to let go since there was never any actual consequences or karma hitting her way.

Had the x-men got a level of payback or closure it be a difrent story, instead we had wanda being tremendeously condescending, holier than thou and the face of virtue agaist the mean x-men.
Once wanda loses and actualy pays for what she did I will let go.

[GenericUsername]

wich would be a normal villain to be destroyed after, cassandra nova got her ass handed to her, so did the purifiers, nimroid, bastion etc, when the cause of said suffering you correctly state is part of the x-men franchise, is put on a pedestal of heroism by her association with the avengers, hence untouchable, it becomes harder to let go since there was never any actual consequences or karma hitting her way.

Had the x-men got a level of payback or closure it be a difrent story, instead we had wanda being tremendeously condescending, holier than thou and the face of virtue agaist the mean x-men.
Once wanda loses and actualy pays for what she did I will let go.

Oh there were consequences. She was assaulted and then killed. Even after she offered to repower mutants. So there's no real amount she could pay to stop it. Even butt-kissing.

[Ferro]

Oh there were consequences. She was assaulted and then killed. Even after she offered to repower mutants. So there's no real amount she could pay to stop it. Even butt-kissing.

said assault and murder was quicky time retconed however tho? the story in question was using her as the victim to make mutants seem like the bullies of the situation, when the consequences that she suffers are not to punish the characther for its mistakes, but instead to victimize and wubbyfy her to the eyes of the reader, to create pitty, it really isnt a consequence.

[Ferro]

"look how sad wanda is, how good and heroic she is compared to those stinky bitter muties that cant let go of a grudge, feel sorry for wanda because she is so so so sorry"
its basicaly what her story has been since her return

[GenericUsername]

Please. Most of the characters who were permanently affected by "No More Mutants" were ignored or forgotten about by the X-fandom. It didn't take long for Bobby and Lorna just to name a few to regain their powers despite losing them in M-Day. People just bitch about Wanda so they can add validity to this persecution complex the X-fandom has had ever since Marvel started promoting other properties besides Spider-Man and the X-Men.

It is a persecution complex. Because the character being beaten, killed and thrown away for years and then more months wasn't enough punishment. Even though she had lost her faculties. And still the same malice not aimed at her former father, nor her brother.

It's very selective and I feel they just do it to antagonize Wanda fans and nothing more. But the pedestal isn't earned. I still remember x-fans coming into the Wanda thread saying she deserved to be raped and bludgeoned. This goes beyond normal, well adjusted reaction to a fictional story.

[GenericUsername]

"look how sad wanda is, how good and heroic she is compared to those stinky bitter muties that cant let go of a grudge, feel sorry for wanda because she is so so so sorry"
its basicaly what her story has been since her return

No they've moved on with her character. You guys are just stuck in that fictional loop.

[GenericUsername]

said assault and murder was quicky time retconed however tho? the story in question was using her as the victim to make mutants seem like the bullies of the situation, when the consequences that she suffers are not to punish the characther for its mistakes, but instead to victimize and wubbyfy her to the eyes of the reader, to create pitty, it really isnt a consequence.

That story was used to create a planet for mutants and further their story. Everything that happened from 2005 on was to further mutant stories. Wanda ended up gone for six months after having been gone for 7.

All the while mutants had their narrative. Acting like this was all done in Wanda's favor is just blind.

[Ferro]

No they've moved on with her character. You guys are just stuck in that fictional loop.

because it isnt solved yet? and the effect on an entire franchise trumps the victimization of one characther, wich I dont see since marvel doesnt seem to stop her apearences. but whatever.

[Ferro]

That story was used to create a planet for mutants and further their story. Everything that happened from 2005 on was to further mutant stories. Wanda ended up gone for six months after having been gone for 7.

All the while mutants had their narrative. Acting like this was all done in Wanda's favor is just blind.

the sequel to the dark angel saga that was shared with avengers to make wanda heroic once more and make rogue her hype woman was for the favor of the x-men? the same "call me alex" title?

[GenericUsername]

because it isnt solved yet? and the effect on an entire franchise trumps the victimization of one characther, wich I dont see since marvel doesnt seem to stop her apearences. but whatever.

And Marvel shouldn't. Because a classic hero doesn't need to pay forever for a fridge storyline. It was a hack sexist storyline. That you want the character to pay for. Because one of your own refused to let her repower mutants. Sorry, but Marvel doesn't think mutants should be happy. You're never getting that ending. Because they botched it and gave up. Your only hope now is the Crucible.

Yeah people have sympathy for Wanda. Because she was a good character destroyed for the narrative of a completely different franchise.

[GenericUsername]

the sequel to the dark angel saga that was shared with avengers to make wanda heroic once more and make rogue her hype woman was for the favor of the x-men? the same "call me alex" title?

Yes because it still gave mutants narrative. Something the story never really gave Wanda. Stories are not gonna always be positive. Good things don't have to happen to characters for them to be good or bad. But when a character is only used as a device for someone else's story, that is always bad.

[Ferro]

And Marvel shouldn't. Because a classic hero doesn't need to pay forever for a fridge storyline. It was a hack sexist storyline. That you want the character to pay for. Because one of your own refused to let her repower mutants. Sorry, but Marvel doesn't think mutants should be happy. You're never getting that ending. Because they botched it and gave up. Your only hope now is the Crucible.

Yeah people have sympathy for Wanda. Because she was a good character destroyed for the narrative of a completely different franchise.

of course i want her to pay for it? who else in universe and in canon is to blame for it?
Until there is a proper reconing I will never ever care about 1 characther vs the effect on an entire franchise, once she actually suffers I will call it even like how death of the inhumans took away any vitrol towards them

[GenericUsername]

of course i want her to pay for it? who else in universe and in canon is to blame for it?
Until there is a proper reconing I will never ever care about 1 characther vs the effect on an entire franchise, once she actually suffers I will call it even like how death of the inhumans took away any vitrol towards them

Her brother and father. You know the men that were still right in their minds, that pushed her over the edge.

No you won't. You guys would never let it go. That story wrecked Wanda so much that she stopped being used for years. That wasn't enough. Her offering to repower wasn't enough. Then the excuse was that why should Scott trust her? Her being punched wasn't enough. Her being killed and gone for another six months wasn't enough. A trial won't be enough either.