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    Quote Originally Posted by WebLurker View Post
    Wonder Woman; A-list character, but with C-list villains. None of the other major superheroes in her bracket have that same ignominy; Batman and Spider-Man have the best villain rosters of all time and Superman has several household names in his (including one that that became part of the English language).
    Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Skeleton View Post
    I'd say Martian Manhunter and Plastic Man.
    I feel that Jack Cole probably created some of the funnier/more memorable villains of the time for Plastic Man, on par with the absurd and outrageous villains originally created for Marvel and DC in the 40s., including:

    Abba and Dabba, Amorpho, Black Widow, The Bounding Bandit, Captain Rivers, Cauldron, Concrete, the Crab, Robber Barron, Dazzla, Dr. Ameeba, Dr. Doser, Dr. Dratt, Dr. Erudite, Dr. Quomquat, Dr. Slicer, Dr. Volt, Eight Ball, Elektra, the Fiend of a thousand faces, Phony Fink, Gargantua, Granite Lady, Green Terror, Hairy Arms, the Hypnotist, Invisible Raiders, Iron Fist, the Japanese Beetle, Killer Crossbones, King of Crime, Jets, Leader, the Lava Man, Madam Brawn, the Mangler, Merlin the Wizard, the Mime, Mirror Man, Mr. Aqua, Mr. Fission, Mr. Happiness, Mr. Hazard, Mr. Morbid, The Moon Wizard, Mother Goose, Needles Noggin, the Owl, Penetro, Pogo Flinch, Professor Dimwit, Professor Sparks, the Purple Viking, Raka the Witch Doctor, Reflecto, Riverman, Pike Ronan, Rubber Man, Sadly-Sadly, Scowls, Serpina, Clarence Skidd, Skullface, Cyrus Smythe, Snout Sniggers, Spadehead, the Spider, Serena Sloop, the Stealing Hands, Stretcho, the Swami, Thrilla, Tricky Toledo, the Vanishers

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    The Justice League itself rogues gallery. Not counting their individual rogues, so no Injustice League or Secret Society of Supervillains.
    No Darkseid from New Gods.

    All that’s left is Crime Syndicate and Despero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    The Justice League itself rogues gallery. Not counting their individual rogues, so no Injustice League or Secret Society of Supervillains.
    No Darkseid from New Gods.

    All that’s left is Crime Syndicate and Despero.
    Starro, Amazo, The Crime Syndicate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mathew101281 View Post
    Starro, Amazo, The Crime Syndicate?
    The main problem with the Justice League's rogues gallery is there isn't much variety. Because they were created in the '60s, they tend to be heavy on aliens. And the ones that aren't aliens are more suited to the '60s style of "split up then come back together" multi-part schemes that Gardner Fox wrote for those old comics rather than modern action-heavy set pieces.

    Overall there's: Starro, Despero, Kanjar Ro, Queen Bee, Starbreaker, The Crime Syndicate, Dr. Ivo, Dr. Amos Fortune, Dr. Light, The Royal Flush Gang, Amazo, The Shaggy Man, Felix Faust, The Key, Dr. Destiny and some more I probably can't think of.

    I still like them but I understand why other people have trouble with them.

    EDIT: I'm just now realizing how silly it may seem to some to say the Justice League's RG lacks variety the way supervillains are in a lot of modern media depictions, including comics. When every Marvel movie villain is a twisted version of the hero, 90% of the villains on Supergirl are bad aliens, the villains on Flash are "science freaks", the villains on Arrow were non-powered criminals, a whole mess of the villains in the Green Lantern comics are bad guys with power rings, etc. I guess people want superheroes to be specialists in one type of villain these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFTF View Post
    Overall there's: Starro, Despero, Kanjar Ro, Queen Bee, Starbreaker, The Crime Syndicate, Dr. Ivo, Dr. Amos Fortune, Dr. Light, The Royal Flush Gang, Amazo, The Shaggy Man, Felix Faust, The Key, Dr. Destiny and some more I probably can't think of.
    Those are classic villains, the problem is....no writers seems to like using them for some strange reason. They would rather create their own absurd cosmic threats that aren't any better or memorable than say...Felix Faust or Dr. Destiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeIsILL View Post
    Those are classic villains, the problem is....no writers seems to like using them for some strange reason. They would rather create their own absurd cosmic threats that aren't any better or memorable than say...Felix Faust or Dr. Destiny.
    Last I checked, it's because most writers and readers want threats that can stand up to the combined might of all the characters at once. Big action scenes and stuff like that. Guys like Felix Faust, Amos Fortune and Dr. Destiny were created when the basic formula for a Justice League story was to split the team into two or three groups, have them investigate different seemingly connected crimes, then bring everyone together to put the baddie away once the whole scheme comes together.You can't have everyone beating on those old-school villains at the same time because they're more breakable than your average absurd cosmic threat.

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    From what I remember it was only like that for the first few years, after 1965 or so those split-up the team stories became less and less. And they can just upgrade characters like Faust or Destiny to be real threats. I mean, if Wonder Woman and Superman can get stronger and stronger why not the villains too?

    Green Lantern has this problem too, all his villains now are just....some Lantern God or some cosmic entity, whereas before he would actually fight some human villains once in a while.

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    Outside of Superman and Batman, none of the heroes have particularly great rogues galleries, in my opinion. If they have any very notable villains at all, it's usually just one, or maaaaaybe two (like Aquaman). This kind of amazes me considering how old many of these characters are and how much some of them, like Wonder Woman, have been used in publication. People really seem to like The Flash's rogues, but they never impressed me all that much.

    That said, there are a lot of interesting personalities and designs among the New Gods bad guys.

    Green Lantern has a few bad guys that have really strong potential to me, like Krona and Anti-Monitor, but the comics usually squander them in some fashion and fall back on a whole host of multi-colored duplicates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamFTF View Post
    Last I checked, it's because most writers and readers want threats that can stand up to the combined might of all the characters at once. Big action scenes and stuff like that. Guys like Felix Faust, Amos Fortune and Dr. Destiny were created when the basic formula for a Justice League story was to split the team into two or three groups, have them investigate different seemingly connected crimes, then bring everyone together to put the baddie away once the whole scheme comes together.You can't have everyone beating on those old-school villains at the same time because they're more breakable than your average absurd cosmic threat.
    I think I miss those days; I got bored with the justice league and their epic battles with another cosmic threat, month after month.

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    Hmmm, of the big six Batman and the Flash are probably the best.

    Than Superman and Wonder Woman are pretty solid.

    That leaves Green Lantern and Aquaman. Until recently, Green Lantern didn't have an overtly strong rogues gallery, but it's really bulked up in the last 20 years or so.

    I guess that leaves Aquaman. He has Black Mantis, Ocean Master, and according to this link a lot more, but I always thought he might be the weakest.

    https://www.cbr.com/aquaman-his-20-m...cially-ranked/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vampire Savior View Post
    Outside of Superman and Batman, none of the heroes have particularly great rogues galleries, in my opinion. If they have any very notable villains at all, it's usually just one, or maaaaaybe two (like Aquaman). This kind of amazes me considering how old many of these characters are and how much some of them, like Wonder Woman, have been used in publication. People really seem to like The Flash's rogues, but they never impressed me all that much.

    That said, there are a lot of interesting personalities and designs among the New Gods bad guys.

    Green Lantern has a few bad guys that have really strong potential to me, like Krona and Anti-Monitor, but the comics usually squander them in some fashion and fall back on a whole host of multi-colored duplicates.
    Wonder Woman has her version of Circe and Ares, plus Cheetah, Giganta, Psycho, Max Lord, and Poison... I think she’s on the same playing field as Superman, above Aquaman and Green Lantern, but below Batman and Flash. Shazam seems to have a rogues gallery that is pretty even with Aquaman’s imo. After those 7 things get really questionable. Blue Beetle, Firestorm, Green Arrow and The Hawks seem to have at least one a piece.

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    I think a lot of the Batfamily get a raw deal in this department because they are only given Batman’s rogues for fight.

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    I think any rogues gallery can be made interesting with a good creative team. Johns proved that with his run Flash and GL. Yeah things got carried away with the rainbow Corps. but he gave a lot of new twists to the classic Silver Agee villains.

    Morrison did great work revamping the Justice League villains like The Key and Starro. If you dont count Darkseid and Thanos, I think the JLA has been villains than The Avengers.

    I always hear that Green Arrow has the worst villains. Which may be true. Anyone remember The Duke of Oil? But I often think GA’s lack of big name villains is fine because Ollie is always his own worst enemy. Which is why so many people love him.

    I feel Nightwing could have been a much bigger character if DC would have expanded his rogues. Since the mid 90s he’s just been given Batman’s villains to fight. Blockbuster has been the only one to stick around and he’s kind of a Kingpin knockoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxin45 View Post
    I mean the lamest rogues gallery.
    See, I do think his and much of the Flash's rogues are lame. Interestingly there is a lot of overlap between them to boot. Apparently dudes with heat and cold guns were very popular at one point.

    Aquaman does NOT have a lame rogues gallery,especially under PADs pen

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