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"We're the same thing, you and I. We're both lies that eventually became the truth." Lara Notsil, Star Wars: X-Wing: Solo Command, Aaron Allston
"All that is not eternal is eternally out of date." C. S. Lewis, The Four Loves
"There's room in our line of work for hope, too." Stephanie Brown
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Tomasi said he wasn't allowed to use her. Miller has put a stop on her ever being used in the main comics universe. She is allowed in other media like cartoons, films
Which might explain why she didn't get a story or even a page. just a cover.
I'll post a link to the interview or article that explained why tomasi had to stop writing her.
later, once i've had some sleep.
Last edited by Fergus; 03-29-2020 at 09:50 PM.
One nitpick: Carrie didn't figure out Batman's secret identity. Bruce told her who he was. Tim is the first (and only) Robin to figure out who Batman is.
Another nitpick: while Carrie was definitely portrayed as smart, she was never portrayed as a natural detective. Good with tech, yeah; detective, not so much. I'm not saying that she was bad at it; frankly, there's not enough evidence to go on, because we never see her doing any honest-to-goodness detective work in DKR. The closest she gets is some snooping, where she overhears something important (“we're gathering at the junkyard”) and acts on it: the extent of her detective work is “if something big is going down there, he might show up”. And that's fine; it's not her role in the story to piece together clues. Her role in DKR is to be Bruce's helper in the field, being young and vibrant and pulling him out of messes that he couldn't get himself out of because he was getting too old for this. Indeed, she never shows any special genius at detective work in any of the sequels — not that they'd count even if she did, because Tim had already been Robin for over a decade by the time Dark Knight Strikes Again came out: anything new added to her character from that point on that overlaps with Tim would have been a case of her borrowing from him, not the other way around.
The main area where she and Tim overlap is that both of them were the Robins who earned the job by saving Batman. No other Robin can claim that, but both of them can.
And again, the fact that Carrie's parents were druggies and Tim's parents weren't wasn't much of a difference before each of them became Robin; but it was a massive difference after: in Carrie's case, her parents were literally never heard from again. In Tim's case, his dad came back, renounced his absentee ways, and became an integral part of Tim's life. Carrie very quickly ended up moving into Wayne Manor and quickly became Bruce's de facto daughter; Tim spent over 2/3 of his career as Robin living with his dad. And even after that, Tim never really moved into Wayne Manor: in the immediate wake of his father's death, he concocted a scheme to get himself declared as an emancipated minor so that he wouldn't have to move in with Bruce. And while Bruce eventually did adopt him, he was already very much his own man by then.
I have great respect for both Carrie and Tim; and I'm not saying the things I'm saying to denigrate Carrie. But I just don't see Tim as a knock-off of Carrie. It's not like what makes her special depends on Tim not being special.
Rogue wears rouge.
Angel knows all the angles.
Not really. Sure, the newsfeed showing Robin performing the same maneuver that Dick had performed back in the circus might be considered “stumbling over it” — except that Tim was smart enough to know what that meant. Jason learning Batman's identity was primarily luck; Tim learning it was primarily insight.
Rogue wears rouge.
Angel knows all the angles.
"We're the same thing, you and I. We're both lies that eventually became the truth." Lara Notsil, Star Wars: X-Wing: Solo Command, Aaron Allston
"All that is not eternal is eternally out of date." C. S. Lewis, The Four Loves
"There's room in our line of work for hope, too." Stephanie Brown
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Tim “figuring out” Batman’s identity is the equivalent of there being a guy who recognizes Clark Kent as Superman in glasses. Its not impressive, its creators cheating. Bending the common sense of that universe to try and make him artificially impressive.
Last edited by Godlike13; 03-30-2020 at 12:47 AM.
Though that failed. He instead hired an actor to pretend to be his long lost uncle. But "Uncle Eddie" and his stepmother Dana were both killed (I always found it odd that Dana couldn't just be his guardian, considering she WAS married to Jack - Eddie shouldn't have been needed), which meant Tim had to allow Bruce to adopt him.
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I think was at least living partly living at Wayne Manor during his training (and I think even full time after his parents were poisoned), and for a short time after Bruce adopted him.
But those were very short eras in terms of publication.
And they also never clearly showed what Tims living (and leagal) situation was, before his Father came out of the Hospital.