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[spirit2011]

I'm not 100% up on what's been going on - although who knows if the dreaded disease of Comicus Retconis will rear it's ugly head and change what even the well versed reader thought they knew. It's always a danger in this medium.

Dan Slott won't let it happen an dit doesn't make any sense

[Gray Lensman]

Dan Slott won't let it happen an dit doesn't make any sense

The aftermath of Stupid Wars didn't make any sense either - Scott went from holding a peace march to being 'Mutant Hitler' off-panel, and the reveal was that someone mimicked him to destroy a free-floating poison cloud (So Nazi - I'd put the rolleyes emoji here if CBR still had it), and even after that the young Scott was still convinced his older self was eeeeevvvviiiiiillllll. Not making sense has never been a reason for writers/editors to avoid doing something.

[spirit2011]

The aftermath of Stupid Wars didn't make any sense either - Scott went from holding a peace march to being 'Mutant Hitler' off-panel, and the reveal was that someone mimicked him to destroy a free-floating poison cloud (So Nazi - I'd put the rolleyes emoji here if CBR still had it), and even after that the young Scott was still convinced his older self was eeeeevvvviiiiiillllll. Not making sense has never been a reason for writers/editors to avoid doing something.

This is on brevoort not on X-office

[U.N. Owen]

I'm going to try to predict how the rest of this will end

X-Men vs. FF
The two find out that this is a complete misunderstanding
Franklin trusts Dr. Doom, the guy who locked him in hell and has the last name DOOM for crying out loud, to restore his powers
Doom does so
Doom betrays Franklin to gain PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER
X-Men and FF rush to his rescue, but they are too late
Evil plan to form reality into his image
One nonsensical solution involving reality warping, possibly Franklin giving up his powers cause who needs character development, everything goes back to normal
X-Fans and FF fans go to war on Twitter over what metaphor this story is
I'm left wanting that waste of ink and paper to get killed off
The end.

[Marvelman]

Why are the X-Men still attacking the FF? Yes, the FF entered Krakoa illegally. But, now they're gone. What is the point of chasing them and attacking them? What practical purpose does it serve?

[Chris0013]

My issue is that the X-Men are able to shoot down Ben Grimm. A USAF trained combat pilot who should be beyond 'but I'm such and such'.

[Gray Lensman]

My issue is that the X-Men are able to shoot down Ben Grimm. A USAF trained combat pilot who should be beyond 'but I'm such and such'.

To be fair, the X-Men did have to resort to the guy who might be their best pilot to pull it off.

[Tycon]

Why are the X-Men still attacking the FF? Yes, the FF entered Krakoa illegally. But, now they're gone. What is the point of chasing them and attacking them? What practical purpose does it serve?

This page from #2 should answer all your questions.

[spirit2011]

This page from #2 should answer all your questions.

Basically mutant supremacy and arrogance

[BroHomo]

I think X-Men having air battles with a Xjet is just awesome. I wonder what the 'Rogue way' was

[Tycon]

Basically avenging an attack on their sovereign nation, getting the coordinates, and finding the missing Marauder crew all in one

Exactly!!!

[Matrik]

Not as good as the original mini which granted had its own problems(Doom doctoring Reed's journal so he suffers a breakdown and then getting dressed down by a child and Franklin no less and accepting it is ludicrous).

[zinderel]

The metaphor breaks down on multiple levels. The Fantastic Four embrace Franklin's mutant nature, Reed don't change him from being a mutant he still has his powers but Reed doing in secretly is a terrible violation without Franklin's consent - all they did was stop him from being able to get through the portals to Krakatoa and on Celebra's radar. A metaphor may be well intended but it's not 1=1 in examples like this.

They ‘embrace his mutant nature’ as long as he doesn’t throw it in their face and act TOO mutant-y or talk about the reality of mutant oppression...
They embrace his minority status, as long as he doesn’t bring home any of them. Only the PARENTS get to choose what members of his minority that they consider ‘acceptible’.
They value his input to the team and family, as long as he doesn’t start wanting his own life.

Like most white, well-off parents, they are trying to deal with their changing son and his ‘minority’ friends/family who want to show him the world through their eyes. They see their son drifting away from them and can’t handle it, ESPECIALLY since he is beginning to show an interest in learning about the history and culture of his people from the perspective of the non-privileged, and they can’t handle that. So they call the X-Men ‘creeps’ and make oblique, message-board-crowd-sourced accusations of fascism, racism and cultishness.

If Franklin was half-Black, and his extended family from Atlanta came to New York to show him what that part of his heritage was like, would ANYTHING Sue has said or done be acceptible? Maybe you think it’d be fine if she invisibly assaulted Al Sharpton or Cornell West for daring to fill her preciousperfectbabyangelspecialboy son with the reality that the view from the top is pretty damn myopic, and that coming from privilege, he has a lot to learn about his people and their history and culture. Sue is absolutely ABSOLUTELY coming off as a Karen who thinks of herself as progressive until her son gets some minority friends, and Reed is coming off as the loving but emotionally distant dad who BELIEVES that he supports his minority son, but wants him to just TRY listening to this Jordan Peterson guy that he read about in hopes that it’ll ‘help’ Franklin not lose his ‘perspective’ by ‘falling down a victimization hole’ that might make Franklin question what his parents were doing during any number of atrocities committed on that minority...

[Iron Maiden]

Right like dude you got beaten by a stick yet their so beneath you and you're superior!! Funny!

You have to laugh at some of the simple resolutions they would come up with in the cartoons.

Here's the clip of it. Magneto looks like a pudgy old geezer and the voice actor really is hammy

[Steel Inquisitor]

They ‘embrace his mutant nature’ as long as he doesn’t throw it in their face and act TOO mutant-y or talk about the reality of mutant oppression...
They embrace his minority status, as long as he doesn’t bring home any of them. Only the PARENTS get to choose what members of his minority that they consider ‘acceptible’.
They value his input to the team and family, as long as he doesn’t start wanting his own life.

Nope, they're fine with that - they draw the line at supremacy and what Krakatoa represents is domination, not being equals with humanity. They view anyone not mutants as lesser. Cyclops said it himself. He's a minor and their child, don't omit that context for this conversation he's not a 20 year old or he'd be in Krakatoa already. This overlooks why his parents were hostile at the X-men's behaviour, it had nothing to do with them being mutants.

Like most white, well-off parents, they are trying to deal with their changing son and his ‘minority’ friends/family who want to show him the world through their eyes. They see their son drifting away from them and can’t handle it, ESPECIALLY since he is beginning to show an interest in learning about the history and culture of his people from the perspective of the non-privileged, and they can’t handle that. So they call the X-Men ‘creeps’ and make oblique, message-board-crowd-sourced accusations of fascism, racism and cultishness.

The X-men aren't a bunch of people his own age that he wants to party with then come home late at night, they made a deliberate act to abduct him right under the nose and they lost him and got Doom's attention in the process. Their son drifting away is normal, but he remains under their care - his "friends," and the only person who qualified is Kitty and she only met him years ago, can't just take him to krakatoa without their permission. You do that in the real world you'll go to prison.

This ignores how well off financially the X-men were before Krakatoa and after. They're not a third word country in eternal poverty and no power to effect global change. Many of them are wealthy in their own right, like Warren, Emma and Xavier.

They can do all that while Franklin stays with his parents, except that's not what Krakatoa wants with Franklin he's not family to them he's a resource and military asset. Except Kitty, she has good intentions.

When the X-men start acting like all the above they will be called out. Those things are bad, regardless of who does it and the X-men drunk the kool aide.

If Franklin was half-Black, and his extended family from Atlanta came to New York to show him what that part of his heritage was like, would ANYTHING Sue has said or done be acceptible? Maybe you think it’d be fine if she invisibly assaulted Al Sharpton or Cornell West for daring to fill her preciousperfectbabyangelspecialboy son with the reality that the view from the top is pretty damn myopic, and that coming from privilege, he has a lot to learn about his people and their history and culture. Sue is absolutely ABSOLUTELY coming off as a Karen who thinks of herself as progressive until her son gets some black friends, and Reed is the loving but emotionally distant dad who BELIEVES that he supports his queer son, but wants him to just TRY this camp he read about...

No-one from Krakatoa are his blood relatives, they're not his extended family. They can talk about his inherit by hanging out with him when he's not in Krakatoa, they don't need to steal him way to do this. Of course Sue would, if they had acted like responsible adults rather than kidnappers. When did Magneto become Krakatoa's Cornell West? Magneto's a mutant supremacist, with a river of blood on his hands, who insulted them right there in their home as a means to inflame the situation so Kitty could abduct Franklin while they were distracted. That's why they bought him there, it's certainly wasn't to comfort the Richards'. This is who you're defending:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...33fb3a7d2abdf9

Sue's childen are lost when they got abducted to another country without her consent by people she doesn't trust, people she used to call friends but who now see anyone who isn't a mutant as lesser. Put yourself in her shoes, how would you react had someone done that to your children? What Reed did wasn't anything like conversation therapy, he didn't turn off his powers all he did was turn off the appearance of the x gene (which could come in handy the next time a Sentinel attacks). Frankly, it is creepy that Xavier has to know where every mutant is 24/7 so he can't do that to Franklin.

This is exaggerated drama because this is comic books. If this were written like the X-men were trustworthy there wouldn't be an argument and Kitty would regularly talk to Franklin about his heritage any time he likes. Instead she kidnapped him. Does this sound like behaviour the X-men do before Krakatoa? I don't think so. Kitty isn't perfect but she's not a kidnapper and the writers are too good at this for this not to be going somewhere shady.

"Karen" is a sexist insult, and it's disappointing to hear that on this forum. We're supposed to be progressives.