Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 41
  1. #1
    Extraordinary Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    6,233

    Default Mjolnir: Has it Reached the Point Now Where TOO Many People Have Lifted it?

    So, I recently saw the article on CBR about how Carol Danvers just joined the ever-growing list of people, other than Thor, who have lifted Mjolnir and I have to admit that it's gotten to be a big club. Let's review:

    • Beta Ray Bill: the famous "first case" from Thor #337
    • Captain America (Steve Rogers): has long been established as being able to lift Mjolnir, but most recently seen doing so in Secret Empire (and of course, Avengers: Endgame)
    • Thunderstrike
    • Awesome Andy
    • Ultimate Magneto (it was the Ultimate universe, but still)
    • Red Hulk: I mean, traditionally a supervillain and, albeit, he did so when the hammer was in zero gravity, but...should that matter for an enchanted hammer
    • Conan
    • Bor
    • Storm: lifted Mjolnir in Uncanny X-Men Annual #9
    • Throg
    • Jane Foster: famously replaced Odinson as Thor for a few years
    • Volstagg: became the War Thor after lifting Ultimate Thor's hammer
    • Silver Surfer: as seen in Donny Cates's Thanos series where the Silver Surfer has become worthy and now wields Mjolnir to fight Thanos
    • Carol Danvers: the most recent addition, albeit only able to do so because of Thor's DNA (but again, should that be able to fool an enchanted hammer)

      And of course, let's not forget:

    • Wonder Woman: wielded the hammer in the Marvel vs. DC crossover and then again in JLA/Avengers
    • Superman: also wielded Mjolnir in JLA/Avengers.


    So, you see what I mean? I think, for some reason, every time some writer wants to make a character seem cool, they just HAVE to have them be seen lifting Thor's hammer. Now, Captain America, I get. Jane Foster's tenure as Thor was pretty great, IMO (I know some hated it, but whatever). Storm is also one that I get. Beta Ray Bill basically only exists because he's someone else who can wield Mjolnir. I also really like the fact that Superman and Wonder Woman can wield it because it has that cross-universe appeal and it's not like they'll be doing so on a regular basis.

    However, some of these seem a bit...unnecessary? I mean, did Silver Surfer really need to be added to this list? Weren't there other ways to fight Thanos? Did Carol Danvers? I mean, there are other powerful artifacts in the MU to use. Is it really worth it to inject yourself with Thor's DNA when you could have easily just grabbed an Infinity Gauntlet (because apparently they grow on trees now) or the Ebony Blade or the Nega Bands (hey, remember those things?). I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the entire roster of the Fantastic Four, Peter Parker, Wolverine, Miles Morales, Dr. Doom, and Rick Jones all lifting Mjolnir within...two years. I don't know. What do you think?
    Last edited by Green Goblin of Sector 2814; 03-19-2020 at 05:08 PM.

  2. #2
    Extraordinary Member JudicatorPrime's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    The Cosmic Shores of the Pacific
    Posts
    5,323

    Default

    You forgot Gaea. Basically, anyone more powerful than Odin as far as magic goes should be able to lift the hammer. So that's a pretty long list, if you think about it.

    By the way, did Storm lift Mjolnir, or was she given her own hammer back in Uncanny X-Men Annual 9? If memory serves, she reduced it to slag at the end of the issue, which would indicate that either the uru was different, or the process to refine it was different. In any event, I don't think it was actually Mjolnir. Please do update me if I'm wrong about that.

  3. #3
    Mighty Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2018
    Posts
    1,111

    Default

    first of all, many of these aren't actually lifting it normally, it's just a gimmick. Lifting thor's hammer is about worthiness. Worthiness has never been defined except some vague "very good guy who's also a warrior and willing to sacrifice himself"

    Unless marvel heroes are almost all trash there should be a dozen who can genuinely lift it without gimmicks.

    Like I know Mar-vell never got a chance, but he should be able to lift it too post Eon. I can see Rich Rider being able to lift it. But I cannot see spidey being able to lift it, because of his stance on killing.

    If you make it an extremely protected class, then people start to wonder what "worthiness" even is, when many fundamental aspects that I mentioned are shown to have are share by other heroes.
    Last edited by Ichijinijisanji; 03-19-2020 at 05:32 PM.

  4. #4
    Fantastic Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2019
    Posts
    394

    Default

    You forgot Ironman, he also lifted it in zero gravity and Gwen-pool who lifted it recently. But yea the more people keep lifting the damn thing, the less impressive and unique it becomes and i predict this trend is just gonna keep happening.

  5. #5
    Fantastic Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    262

    Default

    Conan was a What If?
    Surfer was an alternate future

  6. #6
    Boisterously Confused
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    5,485

    Default

    Yes. Once we go beyond Odin and Thor, too many. Much as I love Cap and Beta Ray Bill, too may.

  7. #7
    Mighty Member babyblob's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2018
    Location
    New Richmond Ohio
    Posts
    1,815

    Default

    It was really been over done. Now when I see it I dont think man that hero is relly something special I think ho hum who gives a shit everyone has done it.
    Favorite teams. Alpha Flight, Avengers, Fantastic Four, West Coast Avengers, Justice Society of America, Legion of Superheroes.

    Pull List - Lois Lane, Amazing Mary Jane, Black Cat, Doctor Doom, Gwen Stacy, Jane Foster Valkyrie, Morbius Savage Avengers, Strike Force, Something Is Killing The Children


    Baby Blob's Comic Blog - https://sites.google.com/view/my-comic-journey/home Updates every Wednesday at 10 Am and Saturday at 7 Pm.

  8. #8
    Benefactor / Malefactor H-E-D's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    2,485

    Default

    Nah, it's fine.

  9. #9
    Kinky Lil' Canine Snoop Dogg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Posts
    9,226

    Default

    ehhhhh that's not a lot
    Quote Originally Posted by ???
    The world has changed, and so have I.

  10. #10
    Extraordinary Member JudicatorPrime's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    The Cosmic Shores of the Pacific
    Posts
    5,323

    Default

    Odin created the spell at a time when even the Asgardians were little better than cave men. "Worthy" as defined in the antediluvian, pre-Cataclysmic age would obviously be matched as sentient cultures progressed, evolved and matured over time. It's like establishing that the requirement to hold the hammer in 4000 BCE was literacy. Well, in 4000 BCE there weren't that many people who could actually read. But in 2020, well, yes, there are plenty of people who qualify, if that's the low bar. The specs on that spell just need to be updated with more modern prerequisites.

  11. #11
    Extraordinary Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    6,233

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ichijinijisanji View Post
    first of all, many of these aren't actually lifting it normally, it's just a gimmick. Lifting thor's hammer is about worthiness. Worthiness has never been defined except some vague "very good guy who's also a warrior and willing to sacrifice himself"

    Unless marvel heroes are almost all trash there should be a dozen who can genuinely lift it without gimmicks.

    Like I know Mar-vell never got a chance, but he should be able to lift it too post Eon. I can see Rich Rider being able to lift it. But I cannot see spidey being able to lift it, because of his stance on killing.

    If you make it an extremely protected class, then people start to wonder what "worthiness" even is, when many fundamental aspects that I mentioned are shown to have are share by other heroes.
    Doesn't Peter have a stance against killing?

    Also, I understand the need to define worthiness, but I think Marvel has now expanded the concept of worthiness to be too broad. Again, Magneto somehow was able to prove himself "worthy" of wielding Mjolnir. Worthiness shouldn't mean anyone who shows any sort of shred of decency.

  12. #12
    Extraordinary Member JudicatorPrime's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    The Cosmic Shores of the Pacific
    Posts
    5,323

    Default

    I thought Peter was opposed to killing. Thor and a few others who have wielded Mjolnir don't share that viewpoint. But again, we're talking about Odin, a flawed god himself, whose definition of "worthiness" isn't necessarily synonymous with moral chasteness or the golden rule. Odin could very easily see a pacifist as being unworthy to possess the hammer on the basis of his vision of the God of Thunder. Ghandi, MLK, sorry, no hammer for you; you're not worthy.

  13. #13
    Mighty Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    1,252

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeguy91 View Post
    So, I recently saw the article on CBR about how Carol Danvers just joined the ever-growing list of people, other than Thor, who have lifted Mjolnir and I have to admit that it's gotten to be a big club. Let's review:

    • Beta Ray Bill: the famous "first case" from Thor #337
    • Captain America (Steve Rogers): has long been established as being able to lift Mjolnir, but most recently seen doing so in Secret Empire (and of course, Avengers: Endgame)
    • Thunderstrike
    • Awesome Andy
    • Ultimate Magneto (it was the Ultimate universe, but still)
    • Red Hulk: I mean, traditionally a supervillain and, albeit, he did so when the hammer was in zero gravity, but...should that matter for an enchanted hammer
    • Conan
    • Bor
    • Storm: lifted Mjolnir in Uncanny X-Men Annual #9
    • Throg
    • Jane Foster: famously replaced Odinson as Thor for a few years
    • Volstagg: became the War Thor after lifting Ultimate Thor's hammer
    • Silver Surfer: as seen in Donny Cates's Thanos series where the Silver Surfer has become worthy and now wields Mjolnir to fight Thanos
    • Carol Danvers: the most recent addition, albeit only able to do so because of Thor's DNA (but again, should that be able to fool an enchanted hammer)

      And of course, let's not forget:

    • Wonder Woman: wielded the hammer in the Marvel vs. DC crossover and then again in JLA/Avengers
    • Superman: also wielded Mjolnir in JLA/Avengers.
    Ultimate Magneto doesn't count because it wasn't the mjolnir with the worthiness spell.
    Red Hulk didn't actually lift it.
    Storm didn't wield mjolnir.
    Volstagg didn't wield mjolnir.
    Conan lifted it because it was in a time before it was enchanted.

    Now if you start looking at alternate realities, you have Magni from the King Thor future, Spider-Man 2099, Dani Cage, Dargo Ktor, and probably others.

  14. #14
    Better than YOU! Alan2099's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    3,652

    Default

    Quite a few people on your list need asterisks besides their name.

    Even then, that's still not that many people. More people have worn the Ironman armor or been Hulk than have lifted Thor's hammer.

  15. #15
    Mighty Member your_name_here's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2018
    Posts
    1,158

    Default

    It’s not that many when you think of how long Thor’s been around.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •