Mjolnir: Has it Reached the Point Now Where TOO Many People Have Lifted it?

[ETMike1988]

Wasn't Loki wielded it when he was inverted!?

[Karabaja]

Loki picked it up just recently, in Thor #4.

[Ichijinijisanji]

Doesn't Peter have a stance against killing?

Also, I understand the need to define worthiness, but I think Marvel has now expanded the concept of worthiness to be too broad. Again, Magneto somehow was able to prove himself "worthy" of wielding Mjolnir. Worthiness shouldn't mean anyone who shows any sort of shred of decency.

that's what I meant, peter has a strong stance against killing (unless it's a symbiote lmao)
Mjolnir may require some sort of warriors, who are willing to kill if need be.

[Hypestyle]

Mjolnir needs to be more powerful. more feats enacted with it.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

that's what I meant, peter has a strong stance against killing (unless it's a symbiote lmao)
Mjolnir may require some sort of warriors, who are willing to kill if need be.

I don't think that's a part of it. I know it was a crossover, but if "willingness to kill" was a requirement for being able to lift Mjolnir, then that wouldn't explain how Superman was able to do it in JLA/Avengers. He, like Spider-Man, has a vow against killing.

[Ichijinijisanji]

I don't think that's a part of it. I know it was a crossover, but if "willingness to kill" was a requirement for being able to lift Mjolnir, then that wouldn't explain how Superman was able to do it in JLA/Avengers. He, like Spider-Man, has a vow against killing.

superman didn't do it in a neutral setting. He did it through a loophole in the enchantment

[babyblob]

I read an issue if A Next. The Avengers went to an alternate Earth, And on this Earth was an evil Thor. He still had the hammer and his powers. So how does a man who oppresses and kills people for a mad man worthy? How are any evil alternate Thors worthy to still have the hammer?

[Ichijinijisanji]

I read an issue if A Next. The Avengers went to an alternate Earth, And on this Earth was an evil Thor. He still had the hammer and his powers. So how does a man who oppresses and kills people for a mad man worthy? How are any evil alternate Thors worthy to still have the hammer?

clearly the rules of that universe's mjolnir are different?
what issue?

[babyblob]

clearly the rules of that universe's mjolnir are different?
what issue?

ANext 11. He works for The Doom of that world who rules the Earth. He is part of the team battling Captain America's resistance movement. I have seen other issues of Avengers and other comics where the heroes go to an alternate universe and find a Villain version of Thor and he still has the hammer.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

superman didn't do it in a neutral setting. He did it through a loophole in the enchantment

Not really. This is the scene after Superman wields Mjolnir but can no longer lift it:



Now, that scene can be read a number of different ways, but the most obvious is that Thor literally just calls Superman a "worthy" aka, someone worthy of wielding Mjolnir. So, what Thor is saying is that, in desperate hours, if one is worthy, they can overcome the spell.

[Ichijinijisanji]

Not really. This is the scene after Superman wields Mjolnir but can no longer lift it:



Now, that scene can be read a number of different ways, but the most obvious is that Thor literally just calls Superman a "worthy" aka, someone worthy of wielding Mjolnir. So, what Thor is saying is that, in desperate hours, if one is worthy, they can overcome the spell.

Okay, I concede to that.

Well... superman did execute Zod, Quex and Zaora using kryptonite in byrne's run. Something that came in JLA 35 too.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Okay, I concede to that.

Well... superman did execute Zod, Quex and Zaora using kryptonite in byrne's run. Something that came in JLA 35 too.

Yeah, but after that, he vowed to never kill again and has cited that in later comics as being that being one of his regrets.

[Ichijinijisanji]

Yeah, but after that, he vowed to never kill again and has cited that in later comics as being that being one of his regrets.

well
is the story still canon for the marvel side? I know it is for dc.

[kilderkin]

So, I recently saw the article on CBR about how Carol Danvers just joined the ever-growing list of people, other than Thor, who have lifted Mjolnir and I have to admit that it's gotten to be a big club. Let's review:

• Beta Ray Bill: the famous "first case" from Thor #337
• Captain America (Steve Rogers): has long been established as being able to lift Mjolnir, but most recently seen doing so in Secret Empire (and of course, Avengers: Endgame)
• Thunderstrike
• Awesome Andy
• Ultimate Magneto (it was the Ultimate universe, but still)
• Red Hulk: I mean, traditionally a supervillain and, albeit, he did so when the hammer was in zero gravity, but...should that matter for an enchanted hammer
• Conan
• Bor
• Storm: lifted Mjolnir in Uncanny X-Men Annual #9
• Throg
• Jane Foster: famously replaced Odinson as Thor for a few years
• Volstagg: became the War Thor after lifting Ultimate Thor's hammer
• Silver Surfer: as seen in Donny Cates's Thanos series where the Silver Surfer has become worthy and now wields Mjolnir to fight Thanos
• Carol Danvers: the most recent addition, albeit only able to do so because of Thor's DNA (but again, should that be able to fool an enchanted hammer)
  
  And of course, let's not forget:
  
  
• Wonder Woman: wielded the hammer in the Marvel vs. DC crossover and then again in JLA/Avengers
• Superman: also wielded Mjolnir in JLA/Avengers.

So, you see what I mean? I think, for some reason, every time some writer wants to make a character seem cool, they just HAVE to have them be seen lifting Thor's hammer. Now, Captain America, I get. Jane Foster's tenure as Thor was pretty great, IMO (I know some hated it, but whatever). Storm is also one that I get. Beta Ray Bill basically only exists because he's someone else who can wield Mjolnir. I also really like the fact that Superman and Wonder Woman can wield it because it has that cross-universe appeal and it's not like they'll be doing so on a regular basis.

However, some of these seem a bit...unnecessary? I mean, did Silver Surfer really need to be added to this list? Weren't there other ways to fight Thanos? Did Carol Danvers? I mean, there are other powerful artifacts in the MU to use. Is it really worth it to inject yourself with Thor's DNA when you could have easily just grabbed an Infinity Gauntlet (because apparently they grow on trees now) or the Ebony Blade or the Nega Bands (hey, remember those things?). I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the entire roster of the Fantastic Four, Peter Parker, Wolverine, Miles Morales, Dr. Doom, and Rick Jones all lifting Mjolnir within...two years. I don't know. What do you think?

Moving it and weilding Thor's power aren't the same

Zeus held it briefly but never had it's power

Neither did red hulk

So I don't include these at all, neither do I count those who overpowered the enchantment bit again didn't weild it's power, carols DNA access is just another gimmick

By my count, bill, dargo, cap, Jane outside of Thor's direct line have weilded it, throgg a piece and that's ok it's fun

DC crossovers are gimmicks imo so I'll skip. Them, but only Diana was truly worthy, Odin lent superman the hammer, he couldn't lift it later

Other universe hammers are not really the same thing do I'll leave them

That's still a fairly small list, I'm good with everyone on it

[9th.]

Not really 3 of those characters aren't even in the same universe, then you said 1 one picked up the ult Thor's hammer so that don't count either. Once you factor in the 0 gravity ones and Throg then it becomes a non issue.