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    Deadline on Disney+ day and date release and piracy:

    Piracy is stealing more money from them faster than they realize, as many sources in the know tell me. And that diminishing of dollars at the box office and windows will hit every downstream business units at Disney quite hard. Wall Street needs to stop sniffing the streaming glue, wake up and realize this recipe for financial disaster.

    Fact: Black Widow was the most-pirated movie last week on Torrent Freak, ahead of The Tomorrow War in the No. 2 spot. Many of these piracy sites dress themselves up with images from the film to make it look like they’re legit.
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    All of those safeguards are blown away in this day-and-date theatrical-streaming era. One industry analytics source informed me that in one study they did for a studio, it showed that these piracy sites were the No. 1 platform for those at home to watch movies, not Disney+ or any other streaming platform. By Disney executing this Disney+ Premier strategy from day one (and Warner’s with their 2021 slate), they’re essentially making pristine free copies available.


    I bet Bob Iger wouldn't have made such a stupid move, but Chapek didn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer and his day and date release decision proves it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicago_bastard View Post
    Deadline on Disney+ day and date release and piracy:

    Piracy is stealing more money from them faster than they realize, as many sources in the know tell me. And that diminishing of dollars at the box office and windows will hit every downstream business units at Disney quite hard. Wall Street needs to stop sniffing the streaming glue, wake up and realize this recipe for financial disaster.

    Fact: Black Widow was the most-pirated movie last week on Torrent Freak, ahead of The Tomorrow War in the No. 2 spot. Many of these piracy sites dress themselves up with images from the film to make it look like they’re legit.
    ...
    All of those safeguards are blown away in this day-and-date theatrical-streaming era. One industry analytics source informed me that in one study they did for a studio, it showed that these piracy sites were the No. 1 platform for those at home to watch movies, not Disney+ or any other streaming platform. By Disney executing this Disney+ Premier strategy from day one (and Warner’s with their 2021 slate), they’re essentially making pristine free copies available.


    I bet Bob Iger wouldn't have made such a stupid move, but Chapek didn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer and his day and date release decision proves it.
    I just want to know if Disney is going to push for more theaters after this news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chicago_bastard View Post
    Deadline on Disney+ day and date release and piracy:

    [I]Piracy is stealing more money from them faster than they realize, as many sources in the know tell me. And that diminishing of dollars at the box office and windows will hit every downstream business units at Disney quite hard. Wall Street needs to stop sniffing the streaming glue, wake up and realize this recipe for financial disaster.

    Fact: Black Widow was the most-pirated movie last week on Torrent Freak, ahead of The Tomorrow War in the No. 2 spot. Many of these piracy sites dress themselves up with images from the film to make it look like they’re legit.
    I didn't know people still use Torrents. Thought it was all streaming sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicago_bastard View Post
    Deadline on Disney+ day and date release and piracy:

    Piracy is stealing more money from them faster than they realize, as many sources in the know tell me. And that diminishing of dollars at the box office and windows will hit every downstream business units at Disney quite hard. Wall Street needs to stop sniffing the streaming glue, wake up and realize this recipe for financial disaster.

    Fact: Black Widow was the most-pirated movie last week on Torrent Freak, ahead of The Tomorrow War in the No. 2 spot. Many of these piracy sites dress themselves up with images from the film to make it look like they’re legit.
    ...
    All of those safeguards are blown away in this day-and-date theatrical-streaming era. One industry analytics source informed me that in one study they did for a studio, it showed that these piracy sites were the No. 1 platform for those at home to watch movies, not Disney+ or any other streaming platform. By Disney executing this Disney+ Premier strategy from day one (and Warner’s with their 2021 slate), they’re essentially making pristine free copies available.


    I bet Bob Iger wouldn't have made such a stupid move, but Chapek didn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer and his day and date release decision proves it.
    Eh, that doesn't seem that legit a concern...they made huge money on Disney+ streaming, and had huge amounts of new sign ups to boot. If you're going to pirate you're going to pirate but that audience isn't the same as American Family Q which is who Disney+ is going for.

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    Streaming same day just makes these so much easier to pirate. And maybe not as much here in the U.S., but a major problem in other countries that will diminish the box office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Streaming same day just makes these so much easier to pirate. And maybe not as much here in the U.S., but a major problem in other countries that will diminish the box office.
    Yeah, I could see it say diminishing box office in China which hasn't even received a release date yet...but not domestically.

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    Privacy is not new to the movie industry, it’s been around since the beginning of the movie business. New technology has always presented a challenge to the industry, but the industry always find a way to beat it. Privacy hasn’t stopped the music industry from going to mainly streaming and it’s not going to stop the movie industry. Privacy or no privacy, there are many many other bigger reasons box office attendance is down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    Privacy is not new to the movie industry, it’s been around since the beginning of the movie business. New technology has always presented a challenge to the industry, but the industry always find a way to beat it. Privacy hasn’t stopped the music industry from going to mainly streaming and it’s not going to stop the movie industry. Privacy or no privacy, there are many many other bigger reasons box office attendance is down.
    Except as already proven many, multiple times now attendance isn't down significantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    Privacy is not new to the movie industry, it’s been around since the beginning of the movie business. New technology has always presented a challenge to the industry, but the industry always find a way to beat it. Privacy hasn’t stopped the music industry from going to mainly streaming and it’s not going to stop the movie industry. Privacy or no privacy, there are many many other bigger reasons box office attendance is down.
    Sure, talk to any performer that use to make their money from Album sales instead of mostly live concerts. No big deal.

    The only artist to break 30 million in sales since 2000 is Adele, and she barely breaks the top 30 list. The "industry, might be fine, not so much the artists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    Sure, talk to any performer that use to make their money from Album sales instead of mostly live concerts. No big deal.

    The only artist to break 30 million in sales since 2000 is Adele, and she barely breaks the top 30 list. The "industry, might be fine, not so much the artists.
    Just like the music industry, the movie industry will take in less revenue but higher profit, while they screw the artist even more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    Just like the music industry, the movie industry will take in less revenue but higher profit, while they screw the artist even more.
    I think we will see some big pushback from big stars over future compensation. Hollywood has stronger unions than music. But you are right that the industry will try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    Just like the music industry, the movie industry will take in less revenue but higher profit, while they screw the artist even more.
    Except people don't go out to theaters to listen to music albums, so the industries are not comparable. Unless people have changed since I entered my twenties during the '80s, most people are not going to stay holed up in their homes. Therefore, theaters won't go the way of the dodo until something can replace it as an event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirby101 View Post
    I think we will see some big pushback from big stars over future compensation. Hollywood has stronger unions than music. But you are right that the industry will try.
    Yep, the Hollywood talents are in a better position than the musical artists.

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    I think one thing we can all agree on is more people needs to get vaccinated. The thing that can hurt the theaters recovery is another limited capacity mandate. Many counties in California are on the verge of a limited capacity mandate. The U.S. Stock Market took a hit today because of fears of the present covid outbreak.
    The unvaccinated is hurting our economy, they are a danger to each other and the vaccinated. I don’t want to go through another slowdown and shutdown.
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    Agreed lup. The Dow dropped 900 today on fears of the Delta Variant. Dr. Scott Cotlieb, former head of the CDC said he thinks almost every unvaccinated person will get the Delta V. It is that contagious.
    We could have ended this pandemic this summer if not for the anti-vaccination, Trump loving idiots.
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