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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Past that...

    You also have to be able to ask yourself what a Guy Ritchie film that is something of a remake would rake in under the best of circumstances.
    His last movie The Gentlemen made 10 million on opening weekend so the numbers for Wrath of Man are pretty much in line with that.

    So with a Guy Ritchie movie making Guy Ritchie movie numbers and a Monsterverse movie making Monsterverse movie numbers I think it's fair to say that the box office is pretty much on the path back to normal, the only problem right now is that not enough attractive movies come out. This should change by June/July when F9 and Black Widow come out. Until then A Quiet Place 2 and Cruella could make decent numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakanai View Post
    Eh, wait until the next MCU movie comes out.
    But this is what Iíve been saying. Blockbusters are the movies that will do well in the first weekend. Non blockbuster movies (about 98% of all movies) is performing very poorly, bringing the overall box numbers way down. Theaters canít survive on weekends like this and there is not enough blockbusters the save the theaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    But this is what I’ve been saying. Blockbusters are the movies that will do well in the first weekend. Non blockbuster movies (about 98% of all movies) is performing very poorly, bringing the overall box numbers way down. Theaters can’t survive on weekends like this and there is not enough blockbusters the save the theaters.
    Since the advent of the blockbuster movie, the entire business rationale for them has been to pay for the non blockbuster movies. There is nothing new in this model today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    But this is what Iíve been saying. Blockbusters are the movies that will do well in the first weekend. Non blockbuster movies (about 98% of all movies) is performing very poorly, bringing the overall box numbers way down. Theaters canít survive on weekends like this and there is not enough blockbusters the save the theaters.
    Politely, the very instance that you pointed to this last weekend says that what is in blue is simply incorrect.

    If the last Guy Ritchie film did ten million during it's opening weekend and the latest one did eight million in the midst of a pandemic?

    The following is simply untrue.

    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    Very poor box office numbers this weekend. The number one movie (Wrath of Man) only made $8 million. Awful for a number movie.
    With no new pre-material blockbuster movie, the box office is basically nonexistent.

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    And honestly?

    The Gentlemen had more "Star Power..." that would easily have meant that it should have done a bit better.

    Never mind for that the current film is probably doing just as well(if not better...) in the middle of a pandemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Politely, the very instance that you pointed to this last weekend says that what is in blue is simply incorrect.

    If the last Guy Ritchie film did ten million during it's opening weekend and the latest one did eight million in the midst of a pandemic.
    Now let’s tell the whole story:
    The last Guy Ritchie movie was competing with five big studio movies and it still did better the Wrath of Man which has very little competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    Now let’s tell the whole story:
    The last Guy Ritchie movie was competing with five big studio movies and it still did better the Wrath of Man which has very little competition.
    (And Had It's Opening Weekend In The Midst Of A Pandemic...)

    Politely, there isn't even anything that resembles a legitimate concern in these numbers.

    Never mind anything like this weekend's numbers being truly "Awful..."

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    I think the question is, what can Hollywood/Theaters offer that Streaming can't?

    Right now the only thing I can think of is spectacle. and even that's starting to fade as cgi becomes better and cheaper.

    People used bv to go to Vaudeville shows. Theater used to be big. Radio dramas were a leading source of entertainment. Comics were the only visual medium to regularly feature superheroes and bbn high concept scifi/fantasy.

    The film industry, in its current form is on the downslope.

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    Box office update (from box office thread)


    And as expected wraith of man in first place with only $8m. With events and theme park openings this week people went to them over movies. (sister went to six flags with her kids this weekend after a long drive and it was packed to the brim!)

    Demon slayer now near $40m in america! Came in second place.

    Kong doing great also. Mortal kombat dropped like a rock and hit every tree on the way down!

    Detective conan and evo movies still crushing it overseas! Both huge hits overseas.

    So slow mothers day weekend with people hanging out with moms and going to big events may have hurt the box office this week more then virus fears did. Heck food places here are packed so it can't be that here!

    Hollywood needs a big blockbuster like film but won't get one till later so things are going to be slow in america. Overseas have detective conan as a big hit but those films don't come to american theatres so we have to wait. You know this would have been a great time to release luca and connected to help theatres other then shoving them off a direct to video movies to netflix and disney plus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ptrvc View Post
    I think the question is, what can Hollywood/Theaters offer that Streaming can't?

    Right now the only thing I can think of is spectacle. and even that's starting to fade as cgi becomes better and cheaper.

    People used bv to go to Vaudeville shows. Theater used to be big. Radio dramas were a leading source of entertainment. Comics were the only visual medium to regularly feature superheroes and bbn high concept scifi/fantasy.

    The film industry, in its current form is on the downslope.
    They offer a place to minimize distractions, especially as working from home becomes more and more prevalent (which I believe it will in a lot of sectors). I think once the pandemic is over, you will find that people are itching to leave their homes at any opportunity. Why do I want to stream something when I'm at home all other parts of the day?

    The film industry is not on the downslope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    But this is what I’ve been saying. Blockbusters are the movies that will do well in the first weekend. Non blockbuster movies (about 98% of all movies) is performing very poorly, bringing the overall box numbers way down. Theaters can’t survive on weekends like this and there is not enough blockbusters the save the theaters.
    98% of all movies then - the non-blockbuster - don't matter. The theater's make so much during the blockbuster season to make up for the off times where it's smaller fare. Like green-garnish said, the blockbuster movies make the money that allows studios and filmmakers to experiment with non-blockbusters. If blockbusters are Hollywood's bread and butter, which helps fund those smaller pictures you're talking about, then why do you think that's not true of theaters as well? That they survive and thrive thanks to the blockbusters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakanai View Post
    98% of all movies then - the non-blockbuster - don't matter. The theater's make so much during the blockbuster season to make up for the off times where it's smaller fare. Like green-garnish said, the blockbuster movies make the money that allows studios and filmmakers to experiment with non-blockbusters. If blockbusters are Hollywood's bread and butter, which helps fund those smaller pictures you're talking about, then why do you think that's not true of theaters as well? That they survive and thrive thanks to the blockbusters?
    No business can survive with only 2% of its products selling. Blockbusters are really less than 2% of movies, it’s is 1.5%, non blockbuster movies are really 98.5%.
    Even big studios are already starting to put their non blockbuster movies on streaming services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    No business can survive with only 2% of its products selling. Blockbusters are really less than 2% of movies, it’s is 1.5%, non blockbuster movies are really 98.5%.
    Even big studios are already starting to put their non blockbuster movies on streaming services.
    That's kind of focusing on the wrong numbers. In total number of films they comprise less than 2% of the market - in terms of how much of the market share they make? I don't have the number, but it's got to be well over 80%, probably over 90%. The number of total films they comprise isn't as important as the financial share of the market they account for. Fewer and fewer people go to watch the smaller movies - but almost everyone has to see the latest big billion dollar blockbuster, and there's more of those every year.
    You're just focusing on the numbers that'll support your argument while ignoring the whole picture. You talk about how small the blockbusters are versus all films, but not their outsized share of the BO $$$. You talk about how poorly some recent movies have done compared to previous years, but never mention that's with a lot of theaters closed because we're in a pandemic. You talk about the continuing rise of streaming, but not how - pre-pandemic - the total number of the GA still going to movies didn't drop that much despite most of them having streaming subscriptions. When you take in all the facts to account, and not just cherry pick, theaters were a lot healthier than you've wanted to admit. The biggest problem theaters face isn't the shrinking attendance for non-blockbusters or the rise of streaming services, it's covid. Covid is what's been strangling the theaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaastra View Post
    Box office update (from box office thread)


    And as expected wraith of man in first place with only $8m. With events and theme park openings this week people went to them over movies. (sister went to six flags with her kids this weekend after a long drive and it was packed to the brim!)

    Demon slayer now near $40m in america! Came in second place.

    Kong doing great also. Mortal kombat dropped like a rock and hit every tree on the way down!

    Detective conan and evo movies still crushing it overseas! Both huge hits overseas.

    So slow mothers day weekend with people hanging out with moms and going to big events may have hurt the box office this week more then virus fears did. Heck food places here are packed so it can't be that here!

    Hollywood needs a big blockbuster like film but won't get one till later so things are going to be slow in america. Overseas have detective conan as a big hit but those films don't come to american theatres so we have to wait. You know this would have been a great time to release luca and connected to help theatres other then shoving them off a direct to video movies to netflix and disney plus!
    It's not surprising that MK is dropping as much as it is.

    It's not a very good movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luprki View Post
    No business can survive with only 2% of its products selling. Blockbusters are really less than 2% of movies, it’s is 1.5%, non blockbuster movies are really 98.5%.
    Even big studios are already starting to put their non blockbuster movies on streaming services.
    Which is not actually what is taking place out in reality.

    Nobody?

    That would be a success even before a pandemic hit.

    The Guy Ritchie film you tried to frame as a failure?

    It had a weekend that did eighty percent of his last film with less star power in the midst of a pandemic.

    The assertion that "Non-Blockbuster..." films are in some sort of serious trouble(particularly in the midst of a pandemic...) is nothing like "True..." when you actually start to take a look at the numbers.

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