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    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    Showing up in other peoples books is ot the same as having a solo. In the team books there is not a lot of room for development as they are so many characters to fit on a limited number of pages.
    Except that there HAS been a lot of development for him in these books, especially Invaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davew128 View Post
    Except that there HAS been a lot of development for him in these books, especially Invaders.
    The INVADERS book was essentially a Namor book.
    His storyline in the AVENGERS book was good, as well.

    Still, I wouldn’t have minded at least a house ad wishing Namor a happy birthday.

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    I am also a believer that there is no such thing as a bad character. The write writer, the right artist, and the right story can turn a character that has been dismissed or forgotten into the next big thing, or at least create a dedicated fan base. Wolverine, Deadpool and Harley Quinn were not over night sensations. Years of building up by good creative teams built the characters you can make movies about or build franchises around.

    I have always felt that a monthly or bi-monthly double sized comic featuring a a-list writer and a talented up and coming artist telling a one-shot story about a character in need of more positive exposure would both satisfy old fans, create new fans, and build up a property for future cross-media projects.

    I would be interested in say...

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    Night Thrasher (Fabian Nicieza -Adam Kubert)
    Wonder Man (Tom King - Gabriel Walta)
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    US Agent (Larry Hama - Jerome Opeña)
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    Quote Originally Posted by davew128 View Post
    Namor has been constantly appearing in Avengers, X-Men, Invaders, and now Atlantis Attacks, not to mention various Defenders related items. This is all in the last year. He's also overdue for a guest spot in FF. Heck he even had a guest appearance in Immortal Hulk a couple months ago. I don't think Namor is someone who needs a solo right now.
    And I think Namor does NEED a solo right now. In part for what you stated. Most of those appearances were not concerned with developing or pushing Namor's story -- they are just using him to push some other character's story. So, as was mentioned about Blue Marvel, you get inconsistent characterization, nerfing, and other crap that does the character zero good, or worse, actual harm.

    There's plenty of characters that have been "constantly" appearing in multiple books, and that hasn't stopped Marvel from giving them their own solo books -- actually most the characters who HAVE solo books fit this criteria. So, we return to the OP, which I believe was about WHY Marvel chooses to give some pet characters repeated chances, and WHICH characters you'd like to see given more chances.



    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    Showing up in other peoples books is ot the same as having a solo. In the team books there is not a lot of room for development as they are so many characters to fit on a limited number of pages. I would love to see him get a solo.
    EXACTLY.




    Quote Originally Posted by davew128 View Post
    Except that there HAS been a lot of development for him in these books, especially Invaders.
    No, there was not. How can you equate one or two page appearances in Hulk and the X-Men to the character development and focus of an entire solo? Especially given, the X-Men completely ignored what happened in Invaders, and Avengers and Hulk don't seem to be on the same page either. And then there's Avengers ignoring everyone else. He acts differently in all these guest appearances / cameos and none of them are building Namor's world, his cast, his rogues, his own story, where he can be the protagonist.

    Invaders is the only book where Namor got a substantial role, as an antagonist, and some development / retconning -- which was completely ignored / thrown out, even as it happening and he still shared the book with an entire team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordMikel View Post
    I know sometimes it comes down to copywrite use, they need to do something with the character.

    But I agree with the why is this guy getting another solo when this character over here is not used.
    There may be a few factors
    1) Writers may want to write certain characters. If A list writer wants to write a solo Hawkeye, then Marvel gives him a solo Hawkeye and is excited by that.
    2) I think Marvel marketing does a poor job of making the character integral to get a solo comic. Black Knight is a good example. I'm a big fan, I love the character. he got a new solo series a few years back and my initial thought, "Why?" He hadn't been used in anything for a few years. We should have started with a guest star role in Avengers for a few issues and then led into his solo.
    I did think the Black Knight solo a few years ago was out of the blue. I wonder if editorial had gotten a heads up on the Eternals script? Regardless, I'm sure they will try again relatively soon, so they can have another book when the movie comes out. I remember Black Knight is showing up in something else coming out in ... June? With Juggernaut? Another character who suddenly got a book this year. Hmmmmmm.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackroom View Post
    I am also a believer that there is no such thing as a bad character. The write writer, the right artist, and the right story can turn a character that has been dismissed or forgotten into the next big thing, or at least create a dedicated fan base. Wolverine, Deadpool and Harley Quinn were not over night sensations. Years of building up by good creative teams built the characters you can make movies about or build franchises around.

    I have always felt that a monthly or bi-monthly double sized comic featuring a a-list writer and a talented up and coming artist telling a one-shot story about a character in need of more positive exposure would both satisfy old fans, create new fans, and build up a property for future cross-media projects.
    A one shot is nice, but I really think you need a solo to build up a fan base. And in this age of quick cancellations, probably multiple solos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackroom View Post
    I am also a believer that there is no such thing as a bad character. The write writer, the right artist, and the right story can turn a character that has been dismissed or forgotten into the next big thing, or at least create a dedicated fan base. Wolverine, Deadpool and Harley Quinn were not over night sensations. Years of building up by good creative teams built the characters you can make movies about or build franchises around.

    I have always felt that a monthly or bi-monthly double sized comic featuring a a-list writer and a talented up and coming artist telling a one-shot story about a character in need of more positive exposure would both satisfy old fans, create new fans, and build up a property for future cross-media projects.

    I would be interested in say...

    Baldur the Brave (Walt Simonson)
    Night Thrasher (Fabian Nicieza -Adam Kubert)
    Wonder Man (Tom King - Gabriel Walta)
    Photon (Ta-Nehisi Coates - Russell Dauterman)
    US Agent (Larry Hama - Jerome Opeña)
    Quasar (Dan Abnett - Olivier Coipel)
    Echo (David Mack)
    Black Knight (George RR Martin - Esad Ribec)
    Magik (Adam Warren)
    Daughters of the Dragon (Devin Grayson - David Aja)
    Some of your character/creative team combinations would get me on board for sure.

    I like the anthology idea in theory, but in practice, books like that often start out strong, then deteriorate HARD, w. mediocre art and writing, as a schedule has to be met and A+ creative teams eager to do a small project on a character they like aren’t available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reviresco View Post
    I did think the Black Knight solo a few years ago was out of the blue. I wonder if editorial had gotten a heads up on the Eternals script? Regardless, I'm sure they will try again relatively soon, so they can have another book when the movie comes out. I remember Black Knight is showing up in something else coming out in ... June? With Juggernaut? Another character who suddenly got a book this year. Hmmmmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reviresco View Post
    Well, I guess we have to disagree on what makes a political character.
    We're probably on the same page, if we set aside conflation. Grevioux intended a very political statement, yet he chose someone whom -- aside from the color of his skin -- was not an overtly political receptacle for his narrative. That so many see Adam as a political character is part of the problem. It's like seeing the person on the wrong side of a mugging as a crime statistic, or worse, a victim, without ever seeing the person. That's why Adam deserves a new series. It would be a chance for him to define himself, just as most of the other Marvel characters, both heroes and villains alike, have done.

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    He is the only one that has had a longish run; his solo titles always get canceled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riv86672 View Post
    Some of your character/creative team combinations would get me on board for sure.

    I like the anthology idea in theory, but in practice, books like that often start out strong, then deteriorate HARD, w. mediocre art and writing, as a schedule has to be met and A+ creative teams eager to do a small project on a character they like aren’t available.
    I agree, though I don't know why anthology books have such a hard time, nowadays. Probably the price. When they survived, titles like Marvel Fanfare, Marvel Comics Present, etc., I was buying most of the Marvel books, because they were affordable. Can't do that so much now.



    Quote Originally Posted by babyblob View Post
    He is going to be in June's Savage Avengers
    That's it! Thank you.



    Quote Originally Posted by charliehustle415 View Post
    Loki by Gillen

    He is the only one that has had a longish run; his solo titles always get canceled.
    Yes, they do repeatedly get canceled. Which is why editorial's lame excuse that some characters aren't getting books because they get canceled is so much BS. Loki's books get canceled, and yet he repeatedly gets chances at books. And I say that, as a Loki fan who buys most of his books.
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