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    Quote Originally Posted by Draegwolf View Post
    I honestly still think that was too much of a stretch, part of Steve's appeal was that mentally he was still the same guy he was before receiving the serum. It used to be that the Super Soldier Serum could only enhance someone physically to the peak potential of the human condition, but over the years writers tweaking things and adding stuff so that it could do more. Saying that Steve's always had some level of hyper intelligence but never applied it before Captain Hydra honestly feels more like a cop out than clever.
    I don't know... Steve's training and experience was always a little suspect. It seems they wanted him to be the ultimate soldier and trained to be the best... while immediately thrown into the war... and at home... and the pacific theater... And then frozen before it was over... There just was never enough time in his story to be the ultimate tactician and leader that he's always been. Not to mention the way he adapts to the modern age with super computers and nanotech... but my dad from the 60's can't program a remote control.... Saying that the serum made him able to process information and strategy or something... I can buy that. It still fits with the 'super soldier' concept.

    What I can NOT buy is that Steve was only giving 75% when he was leading the Avengers and Marvel in general... but when he went evil he now was smarter and more strategic than ever before. Steve gives 100% of everything he ever has. He always uses every tool at his control to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom1592 View Post
    I don't know... Steve's training and experience was always a little suspect. It seems they wanted him to be the ultimate soldier and trained to be the best... while immediately thrown into the war... and at home... and the pacific theater... And then frozen before it was over... There just was never enough time in his story to be the ultimate tactician and leader that he's always been. Not to mention the way he adapts to the modern age with super computers and nanotech... but my dad from the 60's can't program a remote control.... Saying that the serum made him able to process information and strategy or something... I can buy that. It still fits with the 'super soldier' concept.

    What I can NOT buy is that Steve was only giving 75% when he was leading the Avengers and Marvel in general... but when he went evil he now was smarter and more strategic than ever before. Steve gives 100% of everything he ever has. He always uses every tool at his control to win.
    I don't think it was that he was literally only giving 75% of his mind when he was the foremost good guy of the Marvel Universe, but more that his morality wouldn't let him go in certain directions that could be more efficient, but would require less regard for sacrificing innocents or those fighting by his side. In shorter words --- Steve wouldn't accept collateral damage as the price of meeting his objectives, but HYDRA-Cap wouldn't blink twice.
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