X-Men/Fantastic Four #3 Discussion

[spirit2011]

Hickman will definitely use Reed and/or Doom again down the line. I hope we get a nice interaction with the Krakoans when he does. And I hope Sue is not involved.

what i sthe problem with Sue, sh eis far more interesting than Reed

[Ferro]

what i sthe problem with Sue, sh eis far more interesting than Reed

where??? the woman has two traits: mom , overpowered, she is a papper thin character

[Tycon]

Something not edited by Tommy B.

Yep!

but It wont sudenly fix this stain.

I don’t want to fix this, I want to erase this from history.

[Veitha]

what i sthe problem with Sue, sh eis far more interesting than Reed

What Ferro said. Especially after this mini, I'm over Sue.

Reed is like the only really interesting member of the Four at this point. Ben is a sweetheart but we're not getting interesting stories about him.

[Ferro]

Lets just bring ourselves to never buy these again.
we tought it was going to be diferent this time, clearly we were wrong.

[Veitha]

Lets just bring ourselves to never buy these again.
we tought it was going to be diferent this time, clearly we were wrong.

Even that Godpower force thing... Let's not bring this mess into our mutant comics, please. I feel like having the same power source for all mutants and all mutates kind of makes the distinction a bit pointless.

[Huntsman Spider]

Even that Godpower force thing... Let's not bring this mess into our mutant comics, please. I feel like having the same power source for all mutants and all mutates kind of makes the distinction a bit pointless.

The distinction should be pointless. For all the fear and loathing humanity as a whole has toward mutants, a lot of the biggest threats to planet Earth and humankind don't necessarily come from mutants, but from other superhumans. The Hulk is an ultimate force of destruction that now literally wants to smash human society to bits for all its corruption, Ultron (who was created by a founding Avenger, by the way) wants to annihilate the human race entirely, there are all sorts of extraplanar/extradimensional and extraterrestrial beings and empires that want to explicitly colonize or destroy Earth and its people, humans and mutants alike, and that's just off the top of my head. Not to mention that the Celestials were responsible for tampering with the human genome in such a way that even those who didn't manifest an X-gene still had the potential to develop superpowers if they were exposed to other catalysts. In a nutshell, the likes of the Avengers and the Fantastic Four should be as feared and hated as the X-Men/mutants by humankind at large, because the potential threat they pose to human society and human beings is just as great as that posed by mutants. Then again, it does illustrate quite nicely how utterly irrational prejudice and bigotry are.

[Zelena]

The distinction should be pointless. For all the fear and loathing humanity as a whole has toward mutants, a lot of the biggest threats to planet Earth and humankind don't necessarily come from mutants, but from other superhumans. The Hulk is an ultimate force of destruction that now literally wants to smash human society to bits for all its corruption, Ultron (who was created by a founding Avenger, by the way) wants to annihilate the human race entirely, there are all sorts of extraplanar/extradimensional and extraterrestrial beings and empires that want to explicitly colonize or destroy Earth and its people, humans and mutants alike, and that's just off the top of my head. Not to mention that the Celestials were responsible for tampering with the human genome in such a way that even those who didn't manifest an X-gene still had the potential to develop superpowers if they were exposed to other catalysts. In a nutshell, the likes of the Avengers and the Fantastic Four should be as feared and hated as the X-Men/mutants by humankind at large, because the potential threat they pose to human society and human beings is just as great as that posed by mutants. Then again, it does illustrate quite nicely how utterly irrational prejudice and bigotry are.

I agree with you for the most part but still, the superhumans became 'super' by accident, for 'mutation', it's something that arises randomly in teenager years in the population.
There is a element of psychosis that threatens the cohesion of society.

Edit: … but, that's right, you need to be a specialist to be able to make the distinction between 'mutant' and 'mutated'.
So, all of theories, rumors could be spread about 'mutated'… Ben Grimm would make a perfect mutant.

[spirit2011]

What Ferro said. Especially after this mini, I'm over Sue.

Reed is like the only really interesting member of the Four at this point. Ben is a sweetheart but we're not getting interesting stories about him.

Reed already was overexplored, she was more interesting than he was in many years on her mini

[Iron Maiden]

And alternate realities have nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Neither do What Ifs. Stories set in the 616 expanding on 616 lore do, however. And what is established is that mutants are the natural evolution to humans, who even have a gene that causes them to go extinct in a couple generations. It’s also established that Moira resets time and saved the world from the homo novissima from merging with the Phalanx and enslaving all life on Earth.

That can change at any time. We don't know how long Hickman will be on this title and he may go on another hiatus like he did after the huge amount of work he did with the Fantastic Four, going all the way back to his Dark Reign: Fantastic Four mini thru Secret Wars. And he's doing more work in a shorter span of time here. The next guy can turn things on a dime and it has happened before. I would hope that they would respect his work more than that but you never know. Sort of like Slott ditched the Future Foundation right after the start of his FF run, leaving them in limbo. They did get a mini of their own but it wasn't a strong enough property to put on their on it's own especially when Marvel (or that is to say Crazy Ike Perlmutter) decided to cancel Fantastic Four as part of some grudge with Fox.

[LeonardEugenius]

Lol, this hit piece. Quarantine really got Zdarsky phoning it in.

[Iron Maiden]

Hickman will definitely use Reed and/or Doom again down the line. I hope we get a nice interaction with the Krakoans when he does. And I hope Sue is not involved.

I'm surprised that Hickman hasn't had Doom show up yet. He turned into such a fanboy....I remember when he used to be on Formspring during his FF run and he decided to post as Doom for a couple of days. He's said one of his all time favorites is Triumph & Torment. I once gave him a little Tokidoki Doom when he was at C2E2 and he had asked me where I had got the Doom shirt I had on . I have a feeling he might bust out Doom on the X-Men someday.

[Iron Maiden]

Lol, this hit piece. Quarantine really got Zdarsky phoning it in.

Maybe he was running a fever or something

[Huntsman Spider]

I agree with you for the most part but still, the superhumans became 'super' by accident, for 'mutation', it's something that arises randomly in teenager years in the population.
There is a element of psychosis that threatens the cohesion of society.

Edit: … but, that's right, you need to be a specialist to be able to make the distinction between 'mutant' and 'mutated'.
So, all of theories, rumors could be spread about 'mutated'… Ben Grimm would make a perfect mutant.

And after Stamford, nobody gave a damn where somebody's powers came from, they just saw a bunch of reckless yahoos in costumes who were causing mass death and destruction in their superpowered grudge matches and wanted all of them dealt with somehow. Cue the Avengers and Fantastic Four getting a taste of what everyday life was like for the X-Men.

[Iron Maiden]

And after Stamford, nobody gave a damn where somebody's powers came from, they just saw a bunch of reckless yahoos in costumes who were causing mass death and destruction in their superpowered grudge matches and wanted all of them dealt with somehow. Cue the Avengers and Fantastic Four getting a taste of what everyday life was like for the X-Men.

You are forgetting that from very early on, the Fantastic Four were right in the public eye. They never hid away or wore masks so everyone knew who they are and what they looked like. Ben was a guy from Hell's Kitchen and a local hero. They even had a gift shop in the lobby of the Baxter Building for the tourists. That got them a lot of trust from the public.

You should know as a Spider-Man fan that he and Johnny have been buddies for a while and Spider-Man has gotten some help from the FF. Johnny even had it in his last wishes that if anything happened to him that he wanted Spider-Man to take his place.