Ranking the X-Teams (Fighting Skill)...

[LordAllMIghty]

Betsy too should be in the best fighters list.

I was wondering if she still had her ninja fighting skill.

[Veitha]

I was wondering if she still had her ninja fighting skill.

Well she should, skills and memories should be in her mind.

Should she be without Kwannon?

She was using Kwannon's body, but she was the one who did all of the things she did during those years.

[LordAllMIghty]

All I've seen from Besty lately is sword and shield, which is it's own fighting style but she doesn't seem to be ninja fighting anymore.

[stormphoenix]

Cable is a great fighter too, his powers barely work so most of what he does is being badass by himself.

Betsy too should be in the best fighters list.

Oh I forgot about her and Him. Yes, Betsy and Cable as well.

[The tall man]

If it comes down to Fighting Skill. Then ultimately we need to know WHO among the Mutants can fight and hold their own WITHOUT using their powers.

I'd imagine NOT many. And the only ones that come to my mind if you take their powers away and can still Kick your ass are:

Kwannon
Storm
Gambit
Wolverine
Mystique
Sabertooth
Kitty
Warpath


Notible Mentions:
Nightcrawler
Domino
Magik
Cyclops

I agree with this. Activate a power dampener and how many mutants are a threat? How many can hold their own in a fight, not much. But in terms of pure hand to hand/martial arts then Logan is at the top followed by the likes of Kwannon, Gambit, Laura and a few others.

[marhawkman]

Tyson and Ali were never just brute force. They both were fast as hell so it is even hard to punch them. Everyone has fighting skills. In my post I told exactly about the BEST h2h X combatants.

That's kinda my point. Apocalypse may be a super-heavyweight, but he's demonstrated considerable skills over the years.

[Paleo_Rage]

If it comes down to Fighting Skill. Then ultimately we need to know WHO among the Mutants can fight and hold their own WITHOUT using their powers.

I'd imagine NOT many. And the only ones that come to my mind if you take their powers away and can still Kick your ass are:

Kwannon
Storm
Gambit
Wolverine
Mystique
Sabertooth
Kitty
Warpath


Notible Mentions:
Nightcrawler
Domino
Magik
Cyclops

Dani def should be on this list.. She just got her powers back and was kicking ass for a while with out them.

[stormphoenix]

That's kinda my point. Apocalypse may be a super-heavyweight, but he's demonstrated considerable skills over the years.

I think I see your point. However, Apocalypse is not really known or depicted to be a good Martial Artist. Does he have good combat skills of course like you said over the years.

But, he's no expert in H2H like Gambit and Wolverine.

Dani def should be on this list.. She just got her powers back and was kicking ass for a while with out them.

Oh really? Hmm didn't know that. Ok, fair enough.

Is there anyone else that fits this Criteria??

[marhawkman]

I think I see your point. However, Apocalypse is not really known or depicted to be a good Martial Artist. Does he have good combat skills of course like you said over the years.

But, he's no expert in H2H like Gambit and Wolverine.

Tru but to my understanding the OP only asks about combat skills and doesn't distinguish between martial arts and other forms of hand to hand combat skill.

[Jeremy!]

How are we forgetting about Scott Summers?

[ARkadelphia]

Apocalypse has:
1) Millennia of experience in the art of war
2) His power allows him to alter his body at will, allowing him to perform movements that a normal body could not.

3) Gets his practice in by stabbing powerless teenage girls during Crucible events on Krakoa