Again, this is all mostly your supposition. Asgardians got killed en-masse by street level villains in Siege, most of them die and stay dead unless outside means are brought into the equation.
Selene ascended to Godhood, her Ritual consumed the souls of the resurrected mutants and she became a goddess. You don't like it so you say it didn't happen, but it's in the actual comic. She "had risen" and she became The Dark Goddess.
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A thicc Goddess too.
Same for Storm. The development is new, we don't know yet the extent of her god powers and her powers are pretty much bound to Wakanda as of now, like for the Orishas. She doesn't have them all the time (of course, they're not going to give the X-Men a God in their team).
Most Asgardians including Thor can be hurt physically, are they not Gods then? The Shi'ar Gods are physically weaker than Gladiator, one of their worshippers. They're still Gods. Thor got a significant power downgrade when he lost Mjolnir, but he's still a God. Storm still doesn't get her powers when she's out of Wakanda or not powered up by faith. It's actually pretty similar to the Unworthy situation or a Hell Lord, the Great Beasts or the Gibborins being weaker when outside of their dimension, or Snowbird being bound to Canada's borders at first.
And again, it's a new thing so we don't know how they really work.
It's been widely stated that ascension is possible: prayers, souls and faith are what fuel Gods and physiology hasn't been ever stated to be a requirement for Godhood, more of a plus that Gods get when they're powered. There's countless Gods in all forms and shapes, I don't see why Storm couldn't be considered one because she's weak to firearms. The Otherworld/Avalon creatures (which includes the Thuata De Dannan) are weak to iron lol. And when she's in God state we don't know how enhanced she is.
The X-men had power beyond that of normal mortals from the beginning although they weren't considered as gods, at least by the 'insiders', the readers and themselves. On the contrary, the accent has always been put on the fact that, despite their 'marvelous powers', they were still humans, qualities and flaws. Until recently…
Ha… I don't know.
There is a tradition in literature of heroes if not 'killer of gods' at least 'mortals challenging gods'.
I find funny that some people want their heroes to be gods. I find this idea rather conservative.
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you know as I was responding to this post I got to thinking about the god force detail. I would think that there is one common divine energy that powers all gods. I agree it would be nice if explored at a later point.
I do not understand your points here made about ororo. canon has established she is a god, so I think the discussion there is closed. I do think the complexities of her godhead are still not understood and most certainly should be explored: when in this mode what kind of enhancements does she obtain for instance, does her ability go beyond weather/energy control. in black panther she was described as a bigger god than adversary and her abilities allowed her to close dimensional portals, manipulate plant life and extend her consciousness across the cosmos.
moreover, thor can be injuried and can die but he is still a god. his powerset conflicts with your statement on what makes a god.
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I'm not really seeing where you see a distinction
According to whom? We're you not around when HOX #5 came out? The speculations were flying everywhere. And it's not they've ended. They've just become more focused.
I don't think you're supposed to be following a religion expecting to get something outta of it. But if you wanna look at it that way. Mutants have only had a chance to breathe and focus their energy on thriving instead of just surviving for like a year.And they've given the world Miraculous drugs and the means to circumvent Death. Preeetty easy to see which ' religion' produces results.
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Humans get the gods they deserve.
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If the gods say you are a god then your are a god, if not then you are just some uppity mortal.
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I am the revealing fire of light.
I am the mystery of darkness.
In balance with chaos and harmony,
Immortal in the Force.
With the monotheisms, you don't have gods with a human face, the believers have a 'special relationship' with their God who wants exclusivity.
With the Greek mythology, there are a lot of stories. It isn't even proved that the Greeks really believed the stories that were told. Their gods loved, have rather human passions and, mostly, were moderately interested by what the humans were doing. And they weren't exclusive. They lived their immortal life separately from the humans.
So, yes, if mutants are 'gods', it's more in the sense of antique period.
There are already more explanations than resurrections that appear in religions.
For themselves, yes, it's useful. For their followers, I don't think it elevates them in a spiritual sense.
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I'm surprised nobody brought up that weird fungus bringing forth Storm's godhead in Shuri
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What you are referring to in bold is a case of rule of cool being preferred by the writer over the internal rules of the universe.
It's no different than anytime a character punch above his/her weight-class thanks to the writer-of-the-day or when another character is jobbing against a character much weaker than him/her.
No different than when writers refer to mutants as non-humans when they factually are.
I stand by what I said regarding the Asgardians, sorry.
Furthermore, said Asgardians went through resurrection afterward: they Don't stay "dead", it's false.
They go to extra-dimensions, whether Valhalla or Hel, realms that can be travelled to and back.
No, she acquired godlike powers as a result of her ritual. Not the same thing.
That people would mix one for the other show how incredibly loose the use of the term has become in the comics.
The bold? That's you rationalizing what I said to fit your perspective on this subject.
You are entitled to do so, but I'm telling you, that's not the case at all.
I'm just Calling an apple "apple" when you and others want to call said apple "orange" and convince others it is one…
I'm not buying that, hence why I refer to Storm as a goddess in name only.
As for the rest, as I said yesterday, pompous words Don't change what actually occured with Selene: she performed a ritual that gave her monstrous powers, that's all.
That she referred herself as a goddess or that her enemies did as a result doesn't change any of that.
An apple is an apple, no matter how you want to call it.
Being a god and having godlike-powers are two different things. We are discussing the former, not the latter.
I'll say it again: Storm still has needs and wants and vulnerabilities, as any other human on Earth do.
She still needs to breath, to eat, to drink water, to sleep, she still ages, she can still die from most common human injuries, still is a mortal in every sense of the word.
Even when she's in Wakanda, prayed to by her worshippers.
I've yet to see her needs and wants vanish thanks to the prayers and faith of her worshippers, or her becoming immortal/ be resurrected as a result of said worshipping.
I meant it when I said being a god(ess) isn't a part-time situation, it's not a matter of being one for the two hours of praying on Sunday Morning and being a mortal on the rest of the Week.
Either she's one, or she's not, there's no middle ground.
You say her godlike powers only manifest when in Wakanda, I say great, that still doesn't make her a godess.
Asgardians are beyond human physiology, they can be hurt by beings of their weight-class, not by simple humans the same way Storm is.
Unless there's some sort of macguffin/deus ex machina involved in the story of course.
But generally speaking, them having Superior durability than humans for example is Simply a common attribute found with gods, there's more to their status than just that.
They can transcend death. Storm cannot.
I'll repeat: being a god and having godlike powers isn't the same thing.
Power is not what defines Thor as a god. The fact he's virtually immortal and able to transcend death itself is.
Same: godlike powers ≠ being a god.
Storm's existence is bound to her taking care of her basic human needs and wants, not to worshippers deciding whether or not they'll pray to her on the next Morning.
It's not pretty similar.
All of those you cited are beings hundreds of years if not millenia old, and they all can overcome death in one way or another.
That's not the case of Storm.
You are acting like I said physiology was THE requirement to godhood, when I actually said extraordinary physiology was an attribute commonly found throughout the gods and goddesses of Marvel, the same way them being immortals and/or able to transcend death in some way is too.
You are dismissing Storm's mortal limitations as irrelevant to her being a god when it's a mark of her actually be a mortal.
Because gods and goddess who have weak physiologies are still extremely long-liv e d and/or able to overcome death.
That's not the case of Storm.
They are still virtually immortal despite that weakness. That's not the case of Storm.
We do know she still needs to breath air and eat food and sleep if she doesn't want to eventually die, even when in Wakanda - despite it being the only place where her godlike power can manifest, according to you.
She's human, and that's perfectly fine too.
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Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
She's one in name only, for the reasons I cited earlier.
Her power level doesn't come into play regarding whether or not she's a goddess, it's not relevant.
Furthermore, being a god(ess) is not "a mode", the same way being a mutant is not "a mode" either, or being a female "is not a mode" too.
Either she is a god(ess) or she's not. Some things are that simple, and it is one of them.
I'm saying she's not for the Reason I cited earlier, hence why I refer to her as a goddess in name only.
You are referring to her abilities, I'm saying abilities is not what makes one a god or goddess. Those are two different things.
No. What I said is that exceptional physiology is a common trait among gods. Longevity, durability, strength. The same way overcoming death is one, whether through resurrection, reincarnation, or Simply be immune to it and/or immortal.
Thor isn't defined as a god by his powers, those are secondary.
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"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
I'm not going to argue with you anymore if your argument is: no what has happened in the comics or what has been established is not true because my view is true. You have an idea of Gods that you want to stick to, but that is not what a Marvel Universe God is. It's been established that what they share is being empowered by faith and prayers, exactly like Storm has shown.
You're not showing any evidence if not pointing out common denominators. Storm has ascended and became a goddess in a comicbook. It happened.
She's not millenials old like the first Orishas weren't when they started to ascend, since they were humans like her. That is not a valid point. We actually do not know if Storm has human limitations when she's in God mode and the limitations she has (being tied to Wakanda and prayers) are common limitations that the other Gods I listed have, which you're dismissing with the weak excuse of being millenials old (they weren't at some point lol).
Also, human Hell(s) has been pretty much depicted like Asgardians Hel as in you can escape from it. But that doesn't mean they can Resurrect by themselves or they're completely unbothered by Death. Their God of War has been stuck in Hel since Siege when he was killed. Common Asgardians require outside forces to Resurrect. And btw Storm is currently immortal and her Resurrection method bothered Death itself as it wasn't just simple cloning, so there's also that.
But again, let's leave it at that since you're dismissing any evidence I post because you want to interpret the comics in a certain way.
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