10 MCU phase one moments that won't exists today

[Bunch of Coconuts]

“MCU fanboys don’t want Captain America running around killing puppies and drinking baby blood because they know Disney would never allow that!”

No...no, that’s not why “MCU fanboys” don’t want Steve to do that.

[lowfyr]

He never slept with Faith. Their relationship was more like siblings.

Wasn't it after she changed sides to the Mayor, that Angel made it look like he was Angelus again and after showing that he was still on Buffys side, they at least implied that being with Faith did not made him into Angelus?

[Username taken]

Regarding the Hulk thing, I thought the Avengers continued the fact that Banner learned how to “manage” his heart rate at the end of the Incredible Hulk.

As in, he’s permanently in a heightened state. He actually lost control when Loki messed with him and he turned into the Hulk again uncontrolled.

Theres something of a through line between The Incredible Hulk and the Avengers. Whedon just treated it somewhat different.

[80sbaby]

Wasn't it after she changed sides to the Mayor, that Angel made it look like he was Angelus again and after showing that he was still on Buffys side, they at least implied that being with Faith did not made him into Angelus?

Yes but they didn't have sex. He changed because the Mayor hired a mystic to cast a spell on Angel to turn him. It turns out, however, that the mystic owed Angel a favor so he helped them fool the Mayor and Faith.

[lowfyr]

Yes but they didn't have sex. He changed because the Mayor hired a mystic to cast a spell on Angel to turn him. It turns out, however, that the mystic owed Angel a favor so he helped them fool the Mayor and Faith.

Need to rewatch it then^^

[Jokerz79]

It is how you write sex themed stories. How many teen movies have tackled teenagers and sex? Its not about getting horny or just getting laid. Bruce loves Betty Ross, a story of loving her but hurting her during an intense passionate moment will make a lot of sense. it will make the most sense than another stuck story of, am angry and I am now a monster again.

The character in love can easily evolve from anger being the only trigger. MCU feels trapped, they cannot come up with any new ways to tell stories that can still have the same outcome.

MCU fanboys here are against the sex thing not because what I am saying does not make any sense but bc they know Disney cannot cross that territory with the MCU. Its a fulfilment of the 10 list and a big disappointment for the MCU.

No just "MCU Fanboys" understand that Sex, Love, and Intimacy are 3 different things.

[JamesonAnders]

Not only do all MCU moments exist today, they are all likely to be repeated in phase 4 & 5.

[Powerboy]

It may be one of the dumbest things of all time! If you turn into the Hulk during sex, you're doing it wrong

Probably it would make more sense if when the Hulk got horny he would turn back into Banner.

I think they were playing it in that one that it wasn't just anger but anything that got the heart beating faster. Granted there were times in the comics that it was portrayed that way but I prefer they stick with "negative emotions" and even specifically anger.

[Powerboy]

Anger's not the trigger, it's Banner's heart rate. Which is why he keeps constant tabs on it in the movie, anything over the limit and he Hulk's out. The dude can't go for a jog without putting the world in danger.



Sex has been infused in the MCU since the first Iron Man, they just don't show explicit sex scenes. Stark's sexuality is an entity unto itself in his trilogy. Netflix goes further. I'm against it since it takes any sort of happiness from Banner, and is unnecessary. Cap's linked to sexuality by being sexually attractive to women everywhere, post transformation. So much so Peggy Carter shoots him out of jealousy!

I would say that sex and romantic relationships are an integral part of many MCU characters. One can argue about how it is presented and whether it is juvenile or ever the main theme. All that we don't have is "simulated sex". We don't have an actress and actor (or two actresses or two actors) actually pretending to have sex on-screen. If someone's main definition of real relationships is just a fake porno movie, that's unfortunate. If the depth and realism of the relationship is the issue, that's different. But, again, it's not a romance movie or a romantic comedy. That's not the main theme. I think it's presence at all enhances the realism or illusion of realism.

I do regret the dropped romantic themes such as Bruce and Betty and even Bruce and Natasha. I just generally dislike dropped plot threads when they are dropped without explanation or resolution.

[Powerboy]

Angel transferred back to Angelus when he and Buffy had sex. For Angel it was the love making with Buffy. the love making brought him happiness that triggered the curse. Whedon once said the story was a metaphor of your boyfriend not calling you anymore when he has gotten laid.

He had already been happy with buffy many times. It was his happiness that began to worry the Gypies that he may go truly evil again. This came to full circle when the happiness of being with buffy led them to have sex for the first time.


You are telling me I dont understand Buffy when you got the entire story arc wrong. Surprise/Innocence and Amends makes everything I said true. Don't get Buffy wrong, call out Bob Iger for his crap. Marvel is suppose to rival the Buffyverse with provoking stories. Buffy is not a kiddie thing.

It was specifically stated by the gypsies that the purpose of the Curse was that he would endlessly suffer, never achieving true happiness. There certainly would have been fear of what Angelus would do if he returned but Angelus being trapped in a nightmare where he could feel love but never truly have it was what they wanted. There was even a scene where they were arguing that he and Buffy were getting too close and that he was supposed to suffer for eternity for what he had done, not return to a state where these sorts of things would be meaningless to him.

[Powerboy]

Wasn't it after she changed sides to the Mayor, that Angel made it look like he was Angelus again and after showing that he was still on Buffys side, they at least implied that being with Faith did not made him into Angelus?

Yup, he just pretended to become Angelus again to trick faith as I recall.

[Powerboy]

Good lord...

First, you're wrong because Norton's Hulk was made long before there was really was a proper MCU.

Second, you're wrong because Hulk isn't about the inability to have sex. It's about a man's struggle with his inner demons.

Lastly, you're wrong because as another poster pointed out, the transformation was brought on by heart rate (wish I'd remembered that). So strictly speaking, an emotion isn't even needed to trigger the change.

Not a lot of pathos there.

In the Norton movie, I think I recall a scene where he was running, trying to get away, and kept checking his heart rate. As I said in another post, it was anything that got his heart racing and his adrenaline going.

I like the touch in the first Avengers movie when he said his secret was that he was always angry. In other words, he's feeling it every waking moment but he's learned to resist the change. But someone attacking him breaks his concentration or pushes his anger beyond its normal level and he changes. Or he just stops that little focus in the back of his mind of resisting the change and lets it happen in this case. In a movie that was trying to have a lot of humor, it was a nice little nuance to imply that what we see on the surface is not what is really there deep down. "I'm always angry".

[Kieran_Frost]

There is A LOT of aggression in this thread... and I'm not really sure why??? It's a harmless list, guys and gals...



I will say, I never understand this need to make it "family friendly" with no swearing or smoking, but the level of violence is something we're all just going to be fine with?

[Starter Set]

Kinda fascinating that we ended up talking about the Hulk sexuality though.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Kinda fascinating that we ended up talking about the Hulk sexuality though.

We really didn't though. We simply discussed if he could bang, not his preference to bang. Wasn't like we called Betty Ross his beard