Originally Posted by The General, JLA #38
Honestly, I would have loved to see more of humans supporting mutantkind like we see in these presented scenes than the parody of it that the Cult of X is where the humans supporting mutants are basically framed as crazy.
That page is probably one of the best indicators of the result when you get writers like Matt Fraction to write human/mutant relations instead of writers like Rick Remender, at least with his approach to Uncanny Avengers #2 anyway. Teams like the Avengers only help out as much as the writer has them help out, and Remender provided quite the contrast to Fraction in that case. Really though, I’d definitely like to see Remender’s approach reasonably play out with a full-hearted spirit behind it. That would probably result in a more reasonably nuanced “realistic” take on mutants, in that the good is important like how it’s important to show the bad.
Last edited by Electricmastro; 04-06-2020 at 03:00 PM.
Yeah, it was. I would add that in the first arc of Miles Morales: Spider-Man by Saladin Ahmed, Captain America revealed to Miles during a team-up with the Rhino to rescue some kids that had been kidnapped and brainwashed by a villain called the Snatcher that he once had to intervene when S.H.I.E.L.D. started preparing mutant detention camps. Shame we didn't see more pro-mutant solidarity among the superhero community as a whole, aside from relative one-offs like this. Really, if the original Civil War should have taught them anything, it was that they were only one bad day away from having everyone and anyone with powers as hated and feared as any mutant.
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I know you specified a certain issue, but when that same writer does stuff like this you have to wonder what their intended goal was in the first place. Remender took every chance he could to sh!t on mutants having their own community all the while having the humans on the team act like “well we’re TRYING to help but those muties are just too rowdy and radical.”
We know that there are out-of-universe reasons for why the Avengers and FF don’t help the X-Men but it’s how they built the world.
Remender can't seem to write teams that get along well.
It's a shared universe comic problem, like how the Justice League couldn't interfere during No Man's Land even if, by all logic, they should have.We know that there are out-of-universe reasons for why the Avengers and FF don’t help the X-Men but it’s how they built the world.
The non-mutant side should be able to defend themselves when they get poor arguments from the mutant side. They're allowed to criticise each other when they make bad arguments. That Remender had some moments where the non-mutants were able to win arguments isn't a secret anti-mutant agenda. This is the same writer who allowed Rogue to gut Scarlet Witch when she thought she had turned traitor.
Then why aren't you incorporating that into how these stories are made? The characters have no control over bad writing.We know that there are out-of-universe reasons for why the Avengers and FF don’t help the X-Men but it’s how they built the world.
Well, in reference to what I said with the “full-hearted spirit,” that’s pretty much what I was referring to, in that half a spirit is with Cap helping out the mutants, but the other half that’s missing? Well, those panels you listed would probably best symbolize that empty half of the spirit, or perhaps as some others would put it, “half-hearted.” So then, it would be quite nice and surely worthwhile to see an attempt that wasn’t quite so half-hearted. If that’s how they “built the world,” as you put it, then perhaps some redecorating of the world could reasonably be in order. After all, Hickman’s run has shown quite a bit of redecoration, so if he could accomplish that, then I suppose that could allude to the potential other full-hearted writers could accomplish.