What Were The Editorial Reasons For "No More Mutants"?

[Vishop]

I definitely think it was done to make the Avengers the lead franchise that Marvel was promoting. New Avengers at the time was compared to Justice League and Marvel was committed to making the Avengers happened which resulted in knocking the X-line down

Quesada already started pushing them with Ultimates and Ragnarok. New Avengers was just a pathaway into 616. NA were nowhere near Morrison/Waid/Claremont's JLA in terms of quality

[spirit2011]

The school was booming after Morrison. Each X-Man had a squad of kids. It was a bit ridiculous in execution, despite some really interesting concepts.

This was amajor problem, too many young teams introduced

[CRaymond]

This was amajor problem, too many young teams introduced

If it were like 4 teams of 5 kids, it would’ve been manageable, but very little control was set in place, so you ended up with girls like Armor and Blink leapfrogging proper training, characters built to be leads like Wind Dancer and Surge who went nowhere, and Morrison standouts like Dust and the Cuckoos taking wallpaper and one-liner positions.

[charliehustle415]

If it were like 4 teams of 5 kids, it would’ve been manageable, but very little control was set in place, so you ended up with girls like Armor and Blink leapfrogging proper training, characters built to be leads like Wind Dancer and Surge who went nowhere, and Morrison standouts like Dust and the Cuckoos taking wallpaper and one-liner positions.

What are wallpapers?

[Havok83]

Quesada already started pushing them with Ultimates and Ragnarok. New Avengers was just a pathaway into 616. NA were nowhere near Morrison/Waid/Claremont's JLA in terms of quality

They werent but Marvel definitely wanted them to be.

[Maestroneto]

Does Joe know that trimming mutants down to less than 300 is substantially more ridiculous than a minority group growing when they aren’t being subjugated to constant terror and death?



I still don’t see why that’s such a detriment to the storytelling. It’s a giant ass mansion with only six to eleven kids at a time. It didn’t have to matter to the narrative if the writer didn’t want to focus on it. At that point, it just seemed like a personal grievance from Quesada.

It was always about personal grievances with Quesada.

[charliehustle415]

It was always about personal grievances with Quesada.

Is Quesada the Didio of the Marvel world?

[Agent Z]

Well this thread is gonna start a war...

The war's been going since House of M.

[H-E-D]

No More Mutants was kinda dumb.


But...


Decimation, Messiah Complex, Manifest Destiny, Utopia, Second Coming... they got a lot of good stories out of it.

[Vishop]

If it were like 4 teams of 5 kids, it would’ve been manageable, but very little control was set in place, so you ended up with girls like Armor and Blink leapfrogging proper training, characters built to be leads like Wind Dancer and Surge who went nowhere, and Morrison standouts like Dust and the Cuckoos taking wallpaper and one-liner positions.

It can also be said in few words that writers like Chuch Austin or Peter Milligan, heck even Chris Claremont were writing generic comics because they were lacking any direction, Up until HOM happened where things got a lot grimier.

[charliehustle415]

No More Mutants was kinda dumb.


But...


Decimation, Messiah Complex, Manifest Destiny, Utopia, Second Coming... they got a lot of good stories out of it.

Second Coming was so dope

[Gray Lensman]

Joe Quesada wanted the X-Men reset back to where they were when he was a reader. Same thing he did to Spider-Man with OMD.

It's the same bad mentality that took over at DC - the new people in charge wanted things like they were when they started reading. I even tool to calling it the Mercury Age for a while: looks like silver on the surface, but is actually a toxic substance.

[Vishop]

It's the same bad mentality that took over at DC - the new people in charge wanted things like they were when they started reading. I even tool to calling it the Mercury Age for a while: looks like silver on the surface, but is actually a toxic substance.

Or Or It can also be simply be said that Quesada just cared didn't about Spider-Man or X-Men and it's history. Hence such shitty big retcons that happened in both of them lol
But I believe think that Quesada did have a hand with New X-Men and assuredly One More Day(because he wrote that book)

[Sutekh]

The amount of mutants were getting out of hand and losing the whole minority aspect, so they got rid of any "expendable" mutants while all major ones kept their powers or got them back in some way or another.

That's my feel on the matter as well. I could deal with a dozen or so Russian mutants introduced in X-Factor, or some Chinese mutants in Alpha Flight, but sixteen *million* mutants in Genosha? That's just crazy. Particularly since we've seen how actually *common* incredibly powerful mutants with global-affecting powers of telepathy, weather control, whatever, are. (in just two dozen X-Men, there's like *three* Omegas, imagine how many Omegas there should be with 16,000,000 mutants!).

It had gotten ridiculous. There never, IMO, should have been more than a few thousand mutants, and no more than a few hundred with super-hero / super-villain tier powers. While I loved the Academy X era, and would have loved more books devoted to the other squads, such as Rogue's Advocates squad (of which we literally know only their names and powers, having seen them all of once), or the less-used members of other squads, such as Quill, DJ, Network, Trance, Match, Wolf Cub, Dryad, Spectre, Bling!, Indra, Kidogo, Gentle (who was literally the only member of 'Storm's unnamed squad' we knew!), etc.

It's still a little ridiculous in some aspects, due to a lack of creativity. It seems like every generation has to re-invent the wheel. Forget Skids, let's make a new Force Field Chickie with Cecelia Reyes, er, I mean, Unuscione, no, wait, Armor! Forget Tempo, we need a time-manipulating mutant girl, how about Timeslip, or, Lacuna, or, Kiden Nixon, or, Sway, or Tempus! Surely, if I throw enough young time-manipulating girl-mutant darts at the board, one of them *has* to stick!

The minority metaphor was straining, since the 'minority' outnumbered many actual nations! (Krakoa, at least, is a tiny little island 'nation,' as nations go.)

[Foon4000]

They thought Scarlet Witch didn't have enough gendered hysterical tropes attached to her.