What Were The Editorial Reasons For "No More Mutants"?

[Digifiend]

The amount of mutants were getting out of hand and losing the whole minority aspect, so they got rid of any "expendable" mutants while all major ones kept their powers or got them back in some way or another.

It took Jubilee over a decade to get her powers back. I hardly think she, one of the main cast of the 90s cartoon, was expendable. After all, another office almost immediately claimed her for the New Warriors book, so clearly she was still popular enough to stick around.

[RachelGrey]

Joe Queseda wanted the X-Men to be like they were when he was a little kid, a small group of mutants living at a school. he didn't like all this nasty world building stuff, Magneto being an anti-hero, it was all bad for him, he wanted the 1960s O5 back, and didn't want any overly adult marriages to scare poor readers with adult themes like relationships!

Oh yeah, he hated redheads too, because his ex was a redhead, so Jean and MJ both got dumped out of the books because redheads are super scary to Joe!

It was pretty much an editor wanting comics to never change. He wanted the X-Men to be like Charlie Brown and Archie Comics, where no one ever changes and no one ever grows up or even grows as a character, everyone is a generic stereotype and they stay in their generic stereotype lane, because change and growth are scary things!

[CRaymond]

It can also be said in few words that writers like Chuch Austin or Peter Milligan, heck even Chris Claremont were writing generic comics because they were lacking any direction, Up until HOM happened where things got a lot grimier.

I'm saying having 20 "students" at the mansion rather than 200-300 suggested by Morrison's campus would've been more manageable.

[BroHomo]

I'm saying having 20 "students" at the mansion rather than 200-300 suggested by Morrison's campus would've been more manageable.

Thats leaving a lotta young mutants out in the wind

[spirit2011]

I'm saying having 20 "students" at the mansion rather than 200-300 suggested by Morrison's campus would've been more manageable.

yeah, at the end you only ever see the same 6 young mutants

Is Quesada the Didio of the Marvel world?

Both hate marriages. But just Didio doesn't understand what is an dhow continuity works

They thought Scarlet Witch didn't have enough gendered hysterical tropes attached to her.

Big thanks to Byrne

[Zelena]

Maybe for the same reason Hickman made Krakoa… because they never did it before.

[Vishop]

Joe Queseda wanted the X-Men to be like they were when he was a little kid, a small group of mutants living at a school. he didn't like all this nasty world building stuff, Magneto being an anti-hero, it was all bad for him, he wanted the 1960s O5 back, and didn't want any overly adult marriages to scare poor readers with adult themes like relationships!

Oh yeah, he hated redheads too, because his ex was a redhead, so Jean and MJ both got dumped out of the books because redheads are super scary to Joe!

It was pretty much an editor wanting comics to never change. He wanted the X-Men to be like Charlie Brown and Archie Comics, where no one ever changes and no one ever grows up or even grows as a character, everyone is a generic stereotype and they stay in their generic stereotype lane, because change and growth are scary things!

Yeah, there are characters like Wolverine or Spider-Man which were not only deconstructed back to the franchise but it also turned out to be much worse. Honestly, as whole it had a lot of retcons and inconsistencies for characters which contradicts those characters itself. Though those runs were pretty consistent with reading at its time.

[yogaflame]

To be fair, Morrison totally jumped the shark by starting his run with an extinction function hidden in the human genome, and by exploding the mutant population into the tens of millions overnight. Even after killing Genosha, he still left a huge, burgeoning mutant population in the Marvel earth. It was a fascinating time for the X-line, but imagine the chaos that would create for the many other franchises that share the Marvel universe. They would all have to bend to the mutant's gravity.

It was sloppy and heavy-handed, and certainly the Fox-Men films play into it at some level(why would Marvel bend their whole universe to serve an IP that they didn't have the film rights too), but Morrison really did open up a whole new thing that was too big for a shared universe. I don't like what Quesada did, but I understand why he did it.

[Vishop]

Popularity and editorial mandates play a part in this of New X-Men. Not Movie franchises. They don't make decisions like that. It's silly a notion.

[Zelena]

To be fair, Morrison totally jumped the shark by starting his run with an extinction function hidden in the human genome, and by exploding the mutant population into the tens of millions overnight. Even after killing Genosha, he still left a huge, burgeoning mutant population in the Marvel earth. It was a fascinating time for the X-line, but imagine the chaos that would create for the many other franchises that share the Marvel universe. They would all have to bend to the mutant's gravity.

It was sloppy and heavy-handed, and certainly the Fox-Men films play into it at some level, but Morrison really did open up a whole new thing that was too big for a shared universe.

But what is now the mutant's population on Earth? The mutants are planning to resurrect everyone, aren't they?
So if Marvel don't want to have too many mutants, a disaster is inevitable.

[Vishop]

But what is now the mutant's population on Earth? The mutants are planning to resurrect everyone, aren't they?
So if Marvel don't want to have too many mutants, a disaster is inevitable.

Currently, they were resurrecting those who lost their powers during HoM.

[yogaflame]

But what is now the mutant's population on Earth? The mutants are planning to resurrect everyone, aren't they?
So if Marvel don't want to have too many mutants, a disaster is inevitable.

Classically there were only ever a handful of mutants, barely more than the heroes and villains we saw in the main books. Morrison made the population 32 million, and then halved it with Genosha. Still, 16 million people with superpowers, starting to cluster together in ghettos in the populated cities(where all their human superheroes fight crime on the regular). It was a ticking timebomb. The FF crossover puts the current mutant population at about 200,000, which is a 80th of the previous population. And now Disney/Marvel owns the mutant IP, so there's no conflict of interest. It's much more manageable now than it was back in 2005/6.

[Devaishwarya]

Agree 100% with YFlame's assessment of Morrison.
X-Editorial should have stood up to him and told him either "No" or "Dial it back some". But they allowed new hot shot writer to do as he pleased without thinking about the ramifications for the entire MU...thus "No. More. Mutants."

[yogaflame]

Currently, they were resurrecting those who lost their powers during HoM.

Yeah, I don't think the resurrection protocols have made much progress with the depowered or genocided mutants yet. At the rate the current writers are killing the main cast in the current stories, I'm not sure when they'll actually make appreciable gains on that front. Didn't one of the notes say it would take many, many years(in story) to do that?

[yogaflame]

Popularity and editorial mandates play a part in this of New X-Men. Not Movie franchises. They don't make decisions like that. It's silly a notion.

You say this, and yet the Morrison run was instructed to follow the Fox-Men aesthetic(the black leather uniforms) and big school idea(as it appeared in X1). Obviously there was an influence at least in one direction. Once Marvel realized it wasn't making much money off of the X-films directly(and that they weren't bringing in that many more comic buyers), they started refocusing on the IP they hadn't sold off in the 90's, which is why Avengers got dusted off and re-positioned with Bendis, and then a few years later, Iron Man starts off the MCU. You can't tell me movies(which takes years to develop, cast, film, edit, etc) weren't on some powerpoint presentation Quesada was fed from corporate above him to streamline his objectives.