Vulcan(Marvel) vs Kilowog/Mongul Jr(Post Crisis DC)

[Darth Drizzle]

It's been confirmed in the current X-Men run that Vulcan survived his fight with Black Bolt which had him tank a full on scream from the King, then while still recovering from that(was reforming his body from ambient energy around him and looked like a zombie) he survived a bomb that tore time/space/reality like tissue paper. That made me think of this fight here.

Fight 1: Vulcan vs Mongul Jr

Fight 2: Vulcan vs Kilowog

[big_adventure]

Kilowog is at a really solid risk of being drained dry. Vulcan is a stupidly powerful energy manipulator, and sucking the energy from a ring and using it as he sees fit is right up his alley.

[Captain Morgan]

It's been confirmed in the current X-Men run that Vulcan survived his fight with Black Bolt which had him tank a full on scream from the King, then while still recovering from that(was reforming his body from ambient energy around him and looked like a zombie) he survived a bomb that tore time/space/reality like tissue paper. That made me think of this fight here.

Fight 1: Vulcan vs Mongul Jr

Fight 2: Vulcan vs Kilowog

So the thing is that Vulcan can still be 10 counted by sufficient damage just fine, and punching him out remains a viable tactic. Both of these two are quite good at punching. Neither is Gladiator without ring boosting, but they probably don't need to be.

To prevent that, Vulcan would need to basically fully take over the ring energy and turn it on them, and I'm not sure he can do that while they are actively contesting him. High end Lanterns have a lot more oomph and high end energy manipulation than, say, the Summers brothers or the Imperial Guards Vulcan messed up.

Edit: this is an interesting fight because I'd give Kilowag better odds than Hal Jordan just on having a higher base strength.

[big_adventure]

So the thing is that Vulcan can still be 10 counted by sufficient damage just fine, and punching him out remains a viable tactic. Both of these two are quite good at punching. Neither is Gladiator without ring boosting, but they probably don't need to be.

To prevent that, Vulcan would need to basically fully take over the ring energy and turn it on them, and I'm not sure he can do that while they are actively contesting him. High end Lanterns have a lot more oomph and high end energy manipulation than, say, the Summers brothers or the Imperial Guards Vulcan messed up.

Edit: this is an interesting fight because I'd give Kilowag better odds than Hal Jordan just on having a higher base strength.

Geoff Johns is going to put a hit out on you for daring impugn the holy name of Hal, the bestest Lantern ever.

And... yeah, it's an interesting enough sort of matchup. I'm not going to argue with you, my friend, on high end Lantern performance. Vulcan's awfully "up there" himself.

How strong/tough is Kilowag, without the ring?

[Beadle]

Edit: this is an interesting fight because I'd give Kilowag better odds than Hal Jordan just on having a higher base strength.

How strong/tough is Kilowag, without the ring?

Is this some metric unit of 1000 happy dogs?

Or do you both mean Kilowog?

[big_adventure]

Is this some metric unit of 1000 happy dogs?

Or do you both mean Kilowog?

Nope, 1000 happy dogs FTW. What's a Kilowog?

[Captain Morgan]

Geoff Johns is going to put a hit out on you for daring impugn the holy name of Hal, the bestest Lantern ever.

And... yeah, it's an interesting enough sort of matchup. I'm not going to argue with you, my friend, on high end Lantern performance. Vulcan's awfully "up there" himself.

How strong/tough is Kilowag, without the ring?

Well he was casually counterbalancing 10,000 (or possibly 10,000,000, hard to read) weights in an early appearance. He's also jobbed to Hal in a ringless punch out, but that was at peak Geoff Johns Hal fandom.

He also took it to Superman pretty successfully with his ring, and he beat Akrillo one on one, and Akrillo had a pretty knocked down dragged out fist fight with Mongul sans rings.

[big_adventure]

Well he was casually counterbalancing 10,000 (or possibly 10,000,000, hard to read) weights in an early appearance.

There's a lot of room for error there. :-)

He's also jobbed to Hal in a ringless punch out, but that was at peak Geoff Johns Hal fandom.

Pretty sure we shouldn't hold that against him. Anyone other than Barry Allen or Clark Kent would have lost in an unarmed punchup with Hal under those circumstances.

He also took it to Superman pretty successfully with his ring,

The ring kind of invalidates the feat, though, doesn't it? I'm straight up asking and not stating. Also, this would seem to imply the usual dose of DC speedster PIS, yes?

and he beat Akrillo one on one, and Akrillo had a pretty knocked down dragged out fist fight with Mongul sans rings.

That's definitely getting somewhere. Mongul is pretty high tier for strength. Was that all done sans rings?

[Captain Morgan]

There's a lot of room for error there. :-)



Pretty sure we shouldn't hold that against him. Anyone other than Barry Allen or Clark Kent would have lost in an unarmed punchup with Hal under those circumstances.



The ring kind of invalidates the feat, though, doesn't it? I'm straight up asking and not stating. Also, this would seem to imply the usual dose of DC speedster PIS, yes?



That's definitely getting somewhere. Mongul is pretty high tier for strength. Was that all done sans rings?

Oops, meant to post the link.

https://imgur.com/a/TAKGi

He had the ring but was explicitly not using it. Just his inherent racial strength.

So the reason I brought up taking it to Superman, even with the ring, is because the rings stack with inherent strength. That's most of why Mongul was able to take on Kyle Rayner plus like 7 other Lantern all stars at the same time.

Kilowog is generally treated as the brick of the Lanterns, with or without his ring. Akrillo and Mongul dueled without their rings, but but Kilowog and Akrillo threw down with them. My point was that they'd both still have their inherent strength stacked with the ring, so Kilowog had to overcome that when he took Akrillo down.

Also, I don't know how strong he needs to be exactly. What durability feats does he have against non-energy damage, again? I know Gladiator wrecked him and knocked out his eye, but he's Gladiator.

[Pendaran]

It's been confirmed in the current X-Men run that Vulcan survived his fight with Black Bolt which had him tank a full on scream from the King, then while still recovering from that(was reforming his body from ambient energy around him and looked like a zombie) he survived a bomb that tore time/space/reality like tissue paper. That made me think of this fight here.

Fight 1: Vulcan vs Mongul Jr

Fight 2: Vulcan vs Kilowog

I would note that Vulcan's ability to rebuild himself from being wrecked, doesn't stop those experiences from at the very least ten counting him, as it were. "Tank" isn't thus the word I'd use per se.

[big_adventure]

I would note that Vulcan's ability to rebuild himself from being wrecked, doesn't stop those experiences from at the very least ten counting him, as it were. "Tank" isn't thus the word I'd use per se.

I wouldn't think that anyone is doubting that. This is a lot longer than a 10 count, as it were. :-)

It's more the energy manipulator versus energy manipulator sort of thing, at least, for me. Vulcan has a ridiculous ability to suck in energy and use it as he sees fit. Would it be enough here, is the question.