He's already the head of his own religion
The Miagani knew what's up: there's only one god the Bat God
Because others have explained (very well) the genealogical and historical reasons because Bruce should not become Jewish, I will try to face this matter from another point of view: there isn't any real reason to write such retcon because a retcon make sense only if there are some major issues with the origins of a character. For example in origins Jason Todd was a Dick Grayson clone, so the writers have rewritten the Jason's origins, in order to make the character more different to the first Robin and this is something the readers can understand and accept; is this also the case of these alleged Bruce's Jewish origins? No, the ethnicity and the religious beliefs of the Wayne family aren't an issue for Bruce Wayne, so there isn't nothing than a writer can solve changing his origins; on the contrary this retcon might cause issues in the Batman continuity, because it is in contradiction with almost all his past stories.
P.S. Anyway, I think charliehustle415 killed the topic: why follow a religion when your are the God of yourself?
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«It's like kids trying to write stories for adults or something.»
There is an huge difference among write a good story and try to write a great one.
«Heroism is not about being perfect or always winning, but breathing hope into the hopeless.»
Batman's world isn't realistic. It's grounded in psychological realism… In real life, Batman's crusade would be a horrible idea.[…] But in the world Batman inhabits, it not only makes sense, it's absolutely the right thing to do.
Jacob and Martha are Jewish.
One can be both, you know. He can be Jewish and never ever set foot in a synagogue.Bruce is generally shown as being a lapsed Episcopalian, which makes sense for his family's social standing.
Back this up. Where is this ever said or established? Anywhere?There's no reason to assume he's Jewish except for a few loud pushy commenters on this site who conveniently ignore that Jacob converted to his wife's religion upon marriage.
Where is this ever said? Why are you assuming Kate's the one who brought the menorah seen at the funeral? That's a hefty leap to make on zero evidence. The obvious answer it's there is because Martha was Jewish, and it's weird seeing people jump through all sorts of invented, imaginary hoops to try and deny that.That Kate as a young child brought objects from her religion to her aunts funeral doesn't mean Martha was Jewish, it means that people respected a child's right to mourn in the structure she is comfortable with.
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I honestly think that, whatever Bruce is, he's not very religious, not enough that it would matter, not enough to follow the rules of any given creed.
That being said, Bruce has such a strong sense of guilt, blame and punishment that he does feel catholic (he lacks th shame part, though, imho). But I don't think he would follow other thing than any branch of the british-american Protestantism. He certainly feels like he's culturally straight white, rich east north-american. From my point of view, the one from someone from western Europe.
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The issue is about the definition of "being Jewish": according to the Judaism every person is Jewish if his mother is Jewish; it doesn't matter if the mother become Christians or if he don't see himself like a Jewish, he is considered Jewish.
Anyway this don't change we are talking about the sex of the angels (even without a Jewish mother he can convert himself to the Jewish religion): Batman is about fight the crime, not about ethnicity or religion, so what is the sense of tell a story in which he decide to became Jewish?
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«It's like kids trying to write stories for adults or something.»
There is an huge difference among write a good story and try to write a great one.
«Heroism is not about being perfect or always winning, but breathing hope into the hopeless.»
Batman's world isn't realistic. It's grounded in psychological realism… In real life, Batman's crusade would be a horrible idea.[…] But in the world Batman inhabits, it not only makes sense, it's absolutely the right thing to do.
There is such thing as part Jewish. I am part Jewish. My maternal grandmother's mother was an Ashkenazi Jew. Her father was from Romania, and her mother was from Latvia. I am 1/8 Ashkenazi Jewish.
At 23andme, I am 9.1% Ashkenazi. At AncestryDNA, I am 11% European Jewish.
Ashkenazi Jews are mainly a mix of Levantine and Mediterranean European peoples.
Ashkenazi Jews are closely related to Sephardic Jews and other Jews as well as Italians, Greeks, and Sicilians.
Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews seem to descend from Italian Jews which are those that descend mainly from Jews and Greco-Romans.
Ashkenazi Jews are said to be descendants of bottleneck people of around 350 people from 600 to 800 years ago, and all people that are part Ashkenazi are at least 30th Cousins to each other. It was also found that any two Ashkenazi Jewish participants in the study shared about as much DNA as fourth or fifth cousins.
My mother and I are part Jewish and grew up never knowing about it and just recently have connected with our Jewish roots.
My mother grew up as a Roman Catholic. Her father's side is Cape Verdean, Madeiran, Puerto Rican, and Azorean.
There is definitely a possibility of Sephardic Jewish ancestry somewhere in my maternal grandfather's family tree.
My mother and I could have both Ashkenazi and Sephardic ancestry.
I have a little Acadian ancestry on my Louisianan African American father's side, and one of my Acadian ancestors was Abraham Dugas (my 10th GGF once, 11th GGF once), who was an ancestor of most current living Cajuns/Acadians. Genetic testing revealed that his Y DNA haplogroup was J2a3 which makes some people suspect that he was Sephardic Jewish.
I also found out that the Y DNA haplogroup of my maternal grandmother's father's patrilineal English ancestor William Walker (my 6th GGF) was J2a4h2.
There is a man that is 100% Ashkenazi Jewish that has MyTrueAncestry Ancient Sample Breakdown that has Ancient Egyptians, Hittites, Canaanites/Semites, and Philistines. There was strong Mediterranean European emphasis in his Ancient Sample Breakdown...Highly Roman. There are no ancient Mesopotamian samples available. I actually believe that Jews have some ancient Mesopotamian ancestry. Many of the Jews stayed in Babylon after Cyrus the Great allowed them to love. Babylon ended up being a major of Jewry into the Middle Ages. Many Babylonian Jews actually relocated to the Rhineland and joined with the Jews there.
That same 100% Ashkenazi Jew don't like being thought of as white. He really doesn't look white (well..depends on how you define white with it being a social construct). He looks Middle Eastern. He readily admits that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically different from the Jews of ancient times and that they are mainly a mix of Levantine and Mediterranean European. This is him talking about Greco-Roman admixture in Ashkenazi Jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS_ED5Fll7o&t=1474s
Links to genetic studies findings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/N...00-IPArabs.pdf
https://www.pnas.org/content/107/37/16222.full
https://archive.is/20120709050812/ht...l.pgen.0020143
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3806353/
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5835
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/14/s...in-europe.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/09/s...-diaspora.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/5201319
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5668307/
https://web.archive.org/web/20071202...3026_Doron.pdf
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/s...udy-finds.html
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.prem...omen-1.5348602
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-24442352
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/most...nds-8C11358210
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2941333/
http://anthropogenesis.kinshipstudie...ce-inbreeding/
http://www.biologiaevolutiva.org/dco.../Behar2010.pdf
https://digitalcommons.wayne.edu/humbiol_preprints/41/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3080861/
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I created a thread about Dick Grayson/Nightwing and Koriand'r/Starfire. It is to acknowledge and honor their iconic and popular relationship.
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Better question, does anyone in the current Bat office even know they made him Jewish?
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I agree with those saying Bruce isn't the religious type. I imagine that Bruce doesn't straight up deny the existence of gods the same way Michael Holt does (to Holt they're just powerful/advanced aliens) but I honestly don't think Bruce would give a damn. In the DCU gods are real, and Batman probably has a plan to stop them if they ever attack Gotham.
I definitely see him supporting some charity programs, and if his mother was Jewish then funding a synagogue or something in her name sounds like something he'd do (he likely also donates a lot to his father's old hospital too) but that's about as close to religious practice as the Bat gets.
I have no issue with Bruce being Jewish or part-Jewish, but I don't think he'd care about it. Batman's true god is Justice.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
OP -
I'll keep this short but sweet.
No, IMO.
"So you've come to the end now alive but dead inside."
The Waynes are a family of Norse, French, Scottish, and English descent. The name Bruce is Scottish, surname Wayne is English. Don't know who's the Nordic one, but there's the Kane line.
Edit:
I remember now. The French man is a distant Wayne who fought in the Crusade. The Nordic part of the family influenced parts of the architectural style of fortified Wayne Manor post No Man's Land (though I don't remember if a Nordic member of the Wayne is an architect or not).
This info was in a Batman encyclopedia published around the mid-2000s.
Meanwhile, Van Derm was created after that. She might as well be Dutch, I haven't been able to find the info, but both Van Derm and Kane are new inclusion of the family.
So the list that I mentioned before encompasses the whole Wayne family not necessarily related to Bruce's father, mother or gramps. That's another thing I misunderstood.
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