Conservative/Republican characters in movies/shows...

[thwhtGuardian]

Some of this seems like interesting potential sources for conflict. Think about the most right-wing position a decent and reasonable person can hold on a controversy to do with race or LGBT issues, and that can be part of a conflict when someone is upset about the view.

On how conservatives will interact with trans people, there are going to be different responses and opinions from conservatives. Some conservatives view it as a mental health issue, the equivalent of something like anorexia or body integrity dysphoria. For various reasons, it's going to be difficult to depict someone who holds this view as a good guy, unless part of the story is the bigot realizing the error of their ways.

But there is a wide spectrum of other views that someone on the right can hold, from complete and total acceptance to ambivalence.

Regarding the potential conflicts between conservatives and people of color, it is worth noting that a big change in recent politics has been white liberals moving to the left, so members of minority groups, while still to the left, tend to be more moderate and accepting of different views.

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/22/182598...ing-trump-2020

The available studies suggest the majority of third trimester abortions are not due to reasons of fetal health/ the health of the mother.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...0.1363/4521013

If this were just about situations with serious medical complications, that would allow abortion opponents to agree to carefully established medical exceptions while pushing for a ban in other situations.


I did mention electronic/ online voting. This is something liberals generally advocated for, until there was a greater recognition of the potential downside of hacking.

If we're going with 1970 as the beginning, and looking at issues where conservatives and liberals were on different sides (so conservatives wouldn't get credit for George W Bush's work on AIDS in Africa as this wasn't really a partisan issue) there are some example of conservatives on the correct side, like allowing the use of DDT to combat Malaria in Africa, the Reagan doctrine helping end the Cold War, the greater choice for parents with charter schools, and the rise in policing to push back against the rise in crime. It's hard to appreciate how bad it was; the murder rate in New York City in the early 1990s was about four times what it currently is.

These really don't seem like an issues that are likely to really be seen as a major societal touchstones so is their absence in Hollywood a real sign that there's a bias in showing that liberals are on the right side of history? Especially when viewed against how many times conservatives are on the wrong side? It still seems like a reflection of reality rather than a bias to me.

[ed2962]

No because there's a clear difference because a hate symbol isnt the same as "Joe and Jack invite you to the wedding" and hate symbols should inherently be banned beyond educational and instructional purposes

But hate symbols aren't banned. And they wouldn't be breaking any laws asking for one. I just would be morally compromised baking it and I think I should have the right to decline the offer. Now, I can't kick them out of the store for being Nazis ( unless they're being disruptive) and as a business owner I guess I should offer to bake them something else, but...

Here's maybe a more likely one...There's a lot of places that will bake erotic cakes. A couple comes in and wants genitalia on their cake. I tell them I will not create pornography and offer to bake them something else. Should I be forced to make them naughty bits cake?

[Bunch of Coconuts]

But hate symbols aren't banned. And they wouldn't be breaking any laws asking for one. I just would be morally compromised baking it and I think I should have the right to decline the offer. Now, I can't kick them out of the store for being Nazis ( unless they're being disruptive) and as a business owner I guess I should offer to bake them something else, but...

Here's maybe a more likely one...There's a lot of places that will bake erotic cakes. A couple comes in and wants genitalia on their cake. I tell them I will not create pornography and offer to bake them something else. Should I be forced to make them naughty bits cake?

At that point, “I’m not that great at creating genitalia out of fondant” would be a convenient excuse.

Plus, what would the baker be discriminating against anyway?

Also, genitalia is censored all the time elsewhere.

I’m on the side of “a baker shouldn’t have to make something they don’t want to” camp (gay male opinion, btw). Just vote with your dollar and “protest” if you want; find another baker who will take your money...involving the courts is a bit much. Nobody has a “right” to have a cake baked for them. A cake isn’t on the level of being denied healthcare, insurance, or a home.

[Marvelgirl]

I think it's possible to tell conservative X-Men stories. The Hickman X-Men are close to Silicon Valley billionaires, and there's a lot of left-wing pushback against that. The likes of Ayn Rand would celebrate a truly gifted individual who just wants to do their own thing.

It depends on if you want to exchange a faithful christian story with being conservative b/c, many and if not all conservatives claim to be Christians. Nightcrawler from X2 was a christian character. What I find cool looking back now is Bryan Singer who is a gay liberal never mocked Christianity in the movie. I would have been expecting him too.
Christianity has always been an easy target for many gay writers in Hollywood. If you have ever seen Glee, Will and Grace and Boy Erased. All of them were always mocking the bible. It was commendable that a gay director pushed his own progressive gay theme in the movie like the scene Bobby comes out to his family but still make Nightcrawler a convincing christian all in the same film, who practised what he preached.
Nightcrawler was a good conservative Christian.


It is one of the best reasons, I consider X2 to be one and if not the best marvel film, the intellectual commentary was balanced. A gay liberal or a conservative christian can feel both their beliefs were represented. The recent movies and tv shows all seem to alienate conservatives and Christians.

[Steel Inquisitor]

It is one of the best reasons, I consider X2 to be one and if not the best marvel film, the intellectual commentary was balanced. A gay liberal or a conservative christian can feel both their beliefs were represented. The recent movies and tv shows all seem to alienate conservatives and Christians.

Are they alienated by Matt's Catholicism in Daredevil? That's a defining feature which the show embraced without being preachy about. Huntress does this to a lesser extent, but I think the media adaptions shy away from it or she comes off like a Daredevil rip-off.

[sammy_hansen]

You can be a gay liberal Christian. Those positions aren’t mutually exclusive.

Let’s not forget the first Christian was definitely not conservative.

[jetengine]

You can be a gay liberal Christian. Those positions aren’t mutually exclusive.

Let’s not forget the first Christian was definitely not conservative.

Not in mainstream america

[Mister Mets]

These really don't seem like an issues that are likely to really be seen as a major societal touchstones so is their absence in Hollywood a real sign that there's a bias in showing that liberals are on the right side of history? Especially when viewed against how many times conservatives are on the wrong side? It still seems like a reflection of reality rather than a bias to me.

I don't think the framing of the question was whether the absence of particular conservative accomplishments is an example of pro-liberal bias.

It's not about occasional prestige films touching on civil rights issues and trailblazers, some of which have been quite good (Selama, BlacKkKlansman, Milk) and many of which have been flops. Most films aren't really about that.

It depends on if you want to exchange a faithful christian story with being conservative b/c, many and if not all conservatives claim to be Christians. Nightcrawler from X2 was a christian character. What I find cool looking back now is Bryan Singer who is a gay liberal never mocked Christianity in the movie. I would have been expecting him too.
Christianity has always been an easy target for many gay writers in Hollywood. If you have ever seen Glee, Will and Grace and Boy Erased. All of them were always mocking the bible. It was commendable that a gay director pushed his own progressive gay theme in the movie like the scene Bobby comes out to his family but still make Nightcrawler a convincing christian all in the same film, who practised what he preached.
Nightcrawler was a good conservative Christian.


It is one of the best reasons, I consider X2 to be one and if not the best marvel film, the intellectual commentary was balanced. A gay liberal or a conservative christian can feel both their beliefs were represented. The recent movies and tv shows all seem to alienate conservatives and Christians.

It is fair to point out the mockery of Christianity in culture, although this isn't a conservatives VS liberals issue.

Pete Buttigieg, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden are all religious Christians, and Democrats. His Jewish faith is important to Chuck Schumer.

If anything, if a film or TV shows represents the mockery of religion as a mainstream position, it is not showing a milieu that is representative of most Americans.

[thwhtGuardian]

I don't think the framing of the question was whether the absence of particular conservative accomplishments is an example of pro-liberal bias.

It's not about occasional prestige films touching on civil rights issues and trailblazers, some of which have been quite good (Selama, BlacKkKlansman, Milk) and many of which have been flops. Most films aren't really about that.

It is fair to point out the mockery of Christianity in culture, although this isn't a conservatives VS liberals issue.

Pete Buttigieg, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden are all religious Christians, and Democrats. His Jewish faith is important to Chuck Schumer.

If anything, if a film or TV shows represents the mockery of religion as a mainstream position, it is not showing a milieu that is representative of most Americans.

It's the very heart of the issue, the complaints are why are the liberals always the heroes and always shown to be right in the long run...the answer is because that's what history has shown us time and time again and your examples didn't disprove that.

[Tuck]

No because there's a clear difference because a hate symbol isnt the same as "Joe and Jack invite you to the wedding" and hate symbols should inherently be banned beyond educational and instructional purposes

What if the person is a Buddhist? It's not a hate symbol for them.

But Western baker is still going to want to bow out on that one.

[Tuck]

Now, I can't kick them out of the store for being Nazis

Not sure, but you might be able to. It doesn't fall under any protected class.

These laws have always been pretty narrow. Small businesses ban individuals all the time for any number of things. Just can't be race, national origin, sex, etc.


(I always wanted to see what would happen if a small business put a sign in the window reading, "We Don't Serve Libertarians". Would be a fun experiment.)

[Malvolio]

At that point, “I’m not that great at creating genitalia out of fondant” would be a convenient excuse.

Plus, what would the baker be discriminating against anyway?

Also, genitalia is censored all the time elsewhere.

I’m on the side of “a baker shouldn’t have to make something they don’t want to” camp (gay male opinion, btw). Just vote with your dollar and “protest” if you want; find another baker who will take your money...involving the courts is a bit much. Nobody has a “right” to have a cake baked for them. A cake isn’t on the level of being denied healthcare, insurance, or a home.

I say that if a baker doesn't want to bake cakes for gay weddings, he should put a sign in his window saying so. Then see what happens, because these businesses are so often coy with their prejudices because they don't want to take a chance on having a preemptive boycott destroying their business.

[jetengine]

What if the person is a Buddhist? It's not a hate symbol for them.

But Western baker is still going to want to bow out on that one.

Thats honestly a weak dogwhistle legit nazis use. Its been tainted in the west. You can rock up to a party wearing a swastika shirt and claim your a Buddhist but I can assure you 99% of people wouldnt believe you.

[Starter Set]

The recent movies and tv shows all seem to alienate conservatives and Christians.

Poor christians, they just have to face so much persecution in the US. So trying.

[Tuck]

Thats honestly a weak dogwhistle legit nazis use. Its been tainted in the west. You can rock up to a party wearing a swastika shirt and claim your a Buddhist but I can assure you 99% of people wouldnt believe you.

If it's a white person, sure.

But the US is a multi-ethnic country.

But it's mostly a hypothetical. And there's a reason the rules we make for this stuff is so narrowly defined.