Rogues gallery transplant which villain has outgrew the hero?

[Toxin45]

Based on this dc topic here
https://community.cbr.com/showthread...d-their-heroes

Like Mephisto started off as a silver surfer villain but then becomes a general marvel villain

Like Thanos started off as a villain in one Iron Man issue then becomes a general marvel villain.

Klaw started off as the starter villain of Black Panther and one of his two nemesis the other being Erik Killmonger but has become both a fantastic four villain and a avengers villain.

Now Kingpin started off as a spider-man villain now he is daredevil's arch-enemy what are your thoughts on this?

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Like Mephisto started off as a silver surfer villain but then becomes a general marvel villain

Like Thanos started off as a villain in one Iron Man issue then becomes a general marvel villain.

Klaw started off as the starter villain of Black Panther and one of his two nemesis the other being Erik Killmonger but has become both a fantastic four villain and a avengers villain.

Now Kingpin started off as a spider-man villain now he is daredevil's arch-enemy what are your thoughts on this?

These examples don't have a lot in common and it's extremely debatable to argue that "villain has outgrew the hero" in any instance (save for maybe Thanos).

-- Mephisto started as a villain in a Silver Surfer comic sure, but his best stories is the one where he menaced Doctor Doom in Triumph and Torment. But in either case, Mephisto hasn't become a more famous character than Silver Surfer. Surfer is still a far more famous character than Mephisto. Mephisto has also become an embarassing character as a result of being tainted with association with the worst comics story (OMD).

-- In the case of Klaw, I guess you could say that but it doesn't mean a great deal since he's still a fairly minor villain, and certainly not bigger than BP.

-- Kingpin's two major live action appearances are as Daredevil villain, but he was never a very significant Spider-Man villain before he crossed into Miller's corner.

-- In the case of Thanos, he appeared as a minor villain in Iron Man comics before becoming a cosmic level threat to Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel (aka Mahr-vel). In his case you can argue that he's outgrown Warlock, Surfer, Marvel and become a bigger character than them.

In a lot of these cases, you have fairly minor villains becoming much bigger than they were previously, you have minor villains reused and repurposed and so on.

There's not a lot of grand statements to be made here.

[Toxin45]

These examples don't have a lot in common and it's extremely debatable to argue that "villain has outgrew the hero" in any instance (save for maybe Thanos).

-- Mephisto started as a villain in a Silver Surfer comic sure, but his best stories is the one where he menaced Doctor Doom in Triumph and Torment. But in either case, Mephisto hasn't become a more famous character than Silver Surfer. Surfer is still a far more famous character than Mephisto. Mephisto has also become an embarassing character as a result of being tainted with association with the worst comics story (OMD).

-- In the case of Klaw, I guess you could say that but it doesn't mean a great deal since he's still a fairly minor villain, and certainly not bigger than BP.

-- Kingpin's two major live action appearances are as Daredevil villain, but he was never a very significant Spider-Man villain before he crossed into Miller's corner.

-- In the case of Thanos, he appeared as a minor villain in Iron Man comics before becoming a cosmic level threat to Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel (aka Mahr-vel). In his case you can argue that he's outgrown Warlock, Surfer, Marvel and become a bigger character than them.

In a lot of these cases, you have fairly minor villains becoming much bigger than they were previously, you have minor villains reused and repurposed and so on.

There's not a lot of grand statements to be made here.

Okay I guess I should have changed the title to simple rogues gallery transplants.

[davew128]

-- In the case of Thanos, he appeared as a minor villain in Iron Man comics before becoming a cosmic level threat to Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Captain Marvel (aka Mahr-vel). In his case you can argue that he's outgrown Warlock, Surfer, Marvel and become a bigger character than them.

Thanos was never an Iron Man villain. His appearance there was tied into a larger storyline introducting Drax the Destroyer and leading into a role against Mar-Vell. Warlock wasn't the first nemesis of Thanos, Mar-Vell was. Iron Man was just the book used to bring him to a larger audience.