All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[RisingForce]

I mean you know, I hate to same more but it's all just really frustrating in general, what's with this continual crazy quasi dictatorship we have? why is it so hard to differentiate and tell the difference between the communists, liberals and fascists? I feel and suspect that it's mostly the upperclasses basically playing sides and attempting to manipulate people and if they end up causing a war down below with the poor, disenfranchised or working classes, what does it matter to them? I mean, why is everyone so cliquey and exclusionary these days? why does everything suddenly seem to only remotely revolve around work, employment and your job? what happened to other facets or aspects of life. I have relatively young still and haven't been able to decide on a serious career, and you know, this has been a really difficult and complicated process but instead, you're supposed to just treat your work life like a pin-ball machine and you're supposed to just get flung around the tabletop without much forethought and just constantly pick at random what you'll do, and it's supposed to somehow be reality, fun, and just a part of life. Well, it's just typical bourgeois politics, oppression and seemingly a desperate attempt by all these seemingly disparaging groups who are seemingly at odds with each other, and are extreme but yet resoundingly and simultaneously in support of laissez faire economics and capitalism coincidentally and suspiciously? I have a lot of artistic aspirations as well, what about those? so if I just take a leap, get into the aforementioned and unavoidable pitfall of student debt, and pick random majors despite all the possible conundrums and rectifiable odd or unexpected variables to take into consideration, everything will just turn out, oh wait no, nobody will answer that because we live in a dictatorship apparently okay. Is it a communism dictatorship, a conservative one, what is going on? I am obviously not stupid, I am intelligible enough to deserve a decent answer. So basically you are telling me I have to unquestionably get on the side of this quasi-ponzi liberal scheme wherein I work for corporations that outsource to foreign investors and exploit low wage earning foreign workers, is that it? no? what? WHAT IS IT THEN DAMNIT!?

I mean damn, not lazy or stupid at all and haven't been able to decide on a career, was thrown under the bus and disregarded completely socially whilst receiving all this ill regard and animosity and then I suspect and wonder who the smart one's are in actuality? I had these suspicious feelings that these existing social groups were attempting to drive me out of the city like they did to the Native American's in past history and then I was asked if I have "native american" ancestry at all when no, I am part Japanese a little bit I guess? so I mean, I don't think these people even rightfully deserve their positions either and are unfit to rule. They should just let people like me exist but they have to take away all my freedom as well and attempt make me accept whatever schizophrenic time travelling evil regime that this is.

So, I will just continue to be a political dissent and angry socialist I guess.

*goes back to studying Noam Chomsky*

So here I am, the one unbalanced sum of an otherwise perfectly balanced equation it would seem like and still I wonder, what is going on? so like, was Friedrich Nietzsche right then? are these people proponents of his philosophical work? or was he just again, was he correct? for a long time it seemed like these people were all like Nazis, because they were combining far left (but too far left) ideas with right wing ideas but that fell through too. They're just greedy awful capitalists either way I guess, who support socialist policies when it best serves their own interest.

I guess I will just go back to and keep playing angry anti-establishment rock about all my experiences with this seemingly disparaging discordant and contradictory corrupt socio-political scheme, it's just beyond politics at this point. I wouldn't have cared if they would stop with their damn time machines, past retro stuff, overly repressive social expectations, evil demon headed horrible upper classes.

I have existed on the fringes of society my whole life and I will continue to, working at dive bars full of bikers, strip clubs and living in squats with punks or something and making money playing music or something, who knows.

[Hellion]

It looks like Lindsey Graham is going to be Trump's latest post-presidency conjugal visit. Apparently he and the rest of the GQP want to double down on Trumpism for the midterms.

[kidfresh512]

There was a reason so many Senators asked what Trump knew and when he knew it in the Q/A. They already knew how many people called the WH and begged for help during the insurrection. They already knew just like McCarthy that Trump was guilty as hell. But they still voted to not have this trial, they still kiss trumps ass. McCarthy flew down tail between his legs and did a photo op AFTER this call.

Still he said nothing and still he voted against impeachment. They plan to acquit even after all this. They don't need Tuberville on the stand. They know damn well the call happened. He confirmed multiple times now that he flat out told Trump Pence was being evacuated.

They are witnesses themselves to the mobs hunting them that day wrapped in trump flags. Yet still they just kept imploring we "move on".

Calling them to swear under oath is an exercise for history sure. But, it isn't some tv court case revelation that will leave the Senators gasping with shocking new details. They KNOW what happened. They know more details to calls that we still haven't heard of and are keeping under wraps for political gain. Thinking they are so close to majority in midterms and they need these trumpers and racists.

Blaming Democrats for not calling witnesses is silly. And Typical. Bidens agenda will already be held up here waiting for the promised relief. Screwing around trying to subpoena and cajole and force GOP liars on the stand would just hurt getting people actual help. They already know the truth.

[babyblob]

To be honest this whole thing has been a bit silly.
Every day I see multiple times a day some Dem law maker talk about how bad Americans are hurting and how Covid bill needs to be passed ASAP. Yet they spend a week holding a trial that at the end of the day does not mean crap. The out come was known the second they announced they were going to impeach again. And yea these talking heads on Cnn and MSNBC can talk about how there are so many GOP Senators up in the air as to how they will vote and all that but that is just Bullshit.

Everyone wanted to hold Trump accountable. But how does this do that? A trial where he is going to get off and it wont even be a close vote. A way for him and the other GOP to bitch about Trump being the victim and how the Dems are going after their way of life. A show trial that does not lead to conviction does not hold anyone accountable. Pelosi said several times we have to send a message to future president they can not get away with something like this. This impeach proves the opposite. A president can do whatever they want as long as they have the support of weak spineless ass kissers. This impeachment will not make Trump or Trump 2.0 think twice about pulling something like this again if they really want to.,

We have to get the GOP on record as voting to acquit? Why? We know where they stand. We know what they knew and when they knew it. And going on record not to convict will make them heroes to the Trump Cult members so why have them go on record? Has any cult member changed their minds with this trial? For the history books? Something that 20 years from now no one is really going to have any strong feelings towards what so ever? So school kids can see that Trump was impeached twice. if they are anything like I was as a school kid it will be filed in the who gives a crap folder while they play video games.

So we have a week wasted with a bs trial and next week they are off right? So two weeks pretty much wasted on a show trial that does not mean crap while the American people they say need so much help are still hurting.

Now im not saying dont take Trump to task. If you really feel strongly that he committed a crime have a special prosecutor investigate. Call witness, issue warrants for phone records emails and all that. And dont tell me how much time a special prosecutor will take and we have to do it while it is fresh. The Russia Probe took a couple of years. Something like this could and most likely would bring criminal charges and be more meaningful.

People can go on about some grand statement being made. And how this holds people accountable and how this is such an important moment or turning point. But the sad truth is that is just not true.

Just my rant.

[Kirby101]

babyblob, first, the House IS working on COVID Relief and will have something ready for the Senate next week. Second, this is how the Constitution says we should deal with a President in office. Even if there was a Special Prosecutor, which is a whole other can of worms, it would have to end in the Senate. I happen to think a President send a mob of insurrectionist to the Capitol to disrupt the Government and harm Congresspeople is worth the Senates time.

[Tami]

Apparently, McConnell has already decided to vote for acquittal. Which means the majority of Republicans will do the same.

*sigh*

[babyblob]

babyblob, first, the House IS working on COVID Relief and will have something ready for the Senate next week. Second, this is how the Constitution says we should deal with a President in office. Even if there was a Special Prosecutor, which is a whole other can of worms, it would have to end in the Senate. I happen to think a President send a mob of insurrectionist to the Capitol to disrupt the Government and harm Congresspeople is worth the Senates time.

I get that. I understand that. But passing the coivd bill everyone claims is so important should have been the first thing they did. Waiting a week or two for impeachment would not have changed the outcome in any way shape or form. Then you still get the impeachment but the covid bill should have come first.

[Tami]

Apparently, McConnell has already decided to vote for acquittal. Which means the majority of Republicans will do the same.

*sigh*

McConnell says it was a “close call” but says impeachment is “primarily a tool of removal” and the Senate lacks jurisdiction . He says criminal conduct by a president in office can be prosecuted when the president is out of office

[babyblob]

Apparently, McConnell has already decided to vote for acquittal. Which means the majority of Republicans will do the same.

*sigh*

This is no shock at all. He has been riding Trump for four years. Why show a back bone now? The only people who seemed confused on how he would vote are the talking heads on the news programs who wanted to fill air time with debate and what ifs.

I was born in Kentucky. I love everything about it. But man do I hate it produces people like this!

[PaulBullion]

I get that. I understand that. But passing the coivd bill everyone claims is so important should have been the first thing they did. Waiting a week or two for impeachment would not have changed the outcome in any way shape or form. Then you still get the impeachment but the covid bill should have come first.

Look, compared to the GOP Senate and Trump the Democrats and Biden have been working at a breakneck speed.

But this is important for the future.

[kidfresh512]

Mitch is the reason that the trial was not held while Trump was in office. He refused to hold it till after inauguration. More GOP excuses and gaslighting. Just like "we need to wait till the election before considering a SC Justice". Then turn right around and rush Barret into RGB seat before the election.

Two faced, cowardly and predictable.

[Tami]

I get that. I understand that. But passing the coivd bill everyone claims is so important should have been the first thing they did. Waiting a week or two for impeachment would not have changed the outcome in any way shape or form. Then you still get the impeachment but the covid bill should have come first.

The COVID bill will be passed soon. The sticking point isn't the Impeachment Trial, it's the $15 Minimum Wage.

House Democrats Push Minimum Wage Raise in Covid-19 Relief Bill Despite Senate Concerns

WASHINGTON—House Democrats are preparing to stitch together a legislative version of President Biden’s $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief proposal next week, which will include an increase in the minimum wage to $15 an hour despite a second Senate Democrat opposing it this week.

House committees spent the past week shaping portions of the legislation, including the proposal to gradually increase the federal minimum wage to $15 over four years. Early next week, the House Budget Committee is expected to assemble all the pieces into one bill, which House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) said should pass the full House by the end of the month.

Democrats can’t afford to lose a single vote from their ranks in the evenly divided Senate. But the office of Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D., Ariz.) said this week that she wouldn’t support including the minimum wage increase in the coronavirus relief package, joining Sen. Joe Manchin (D., W.Va.) and most Republicans in opposing its inclusion. Politico first reported her decision.

If the minimum wage increase is stripped out in the Senate, discussions are already under way about tackling it separately, Mr. Yarmuth said. “I would almost guarantee there will be a standalone bill if this doesn’t make it through,” he said. A standalone bill would likely require 60 votes to clear procedural hurdles in the Senate, where Republicans have been largely opposed to it.

The process Senate Democrats are using to pass the package with a simple majority comes with constraints. Senate rules require that measures passed under it must have budgetary effects that aren’t merely incidental to the policy aims. It isn’t clear that raising the minimum wage will be considered permissible. The nonpartisan parliamentarian of the Senate determines which measures are eligible to pass under reconciliation.

“We think we’ve got a good shot. We’re working hard to get the minimum wage through the parliamentarian’s office,” Mr. Sanders said.

Democrats’ attempts to require companies to provide paid leave are also likely to fall short. More likely to survive parliamentary scrutiny are the tax credits Democrats propose for employers that provide paid leave through Oct. 1 and make it more generous.

[babyblob]

Look, compared to the GOP Senate and Trump the Democrats and Biden have been working at a breakneck speed.

But this is important for the future.

How? I am not trying to beat a dead horse here. But I am legit asking so that I can understand how is this important for the future? Are you guys seeing something I am not? I am not trying to get bogged down in pointless debate. I am very much trying to understand as I am very confused right now. I am not as aware in politics as many of the people here but I think I have grown a good deal. I am just really trying to understand not anger and offend.

[Tami]

How? I am not trying to beat a dead horse here. But I am legit asking so that I can understand how is this important for the future? Are you guys seeing something I am not? I am not trying to get bogged down in pointless debate. I am very much trying to understand as I am very confused right now.

What we are seeing is a point in the future when a Cruz, or a Rubio, or a Hawly type Republican wins the WH and then decides to hold onto power for life. Checks and Balances only mean something when they actually work to check and balance. The House and Senate needs to exercise their power to Check other branches of government or that power weakens and fails at a time when it is needed most.

As an analogy, imagine you spend 80% of your life sitting on the couch, sleeping eating, but you get no exercise at all. Then one day, an emergency happens and you have to run for your life, run as fast as you can...can you do it? If you haven't exercised enough to strengthen your heart muscles, you legs, your lungs, can you still run away and protect yourself?

What we are seeing is our Government trying to work as it was intended, this is a political muscle what needs to be used or it will fail in the future.

[kidfresh512]

How? I am not trying to beat a dead horse here. But I am legit asking so that I can understand how is this important for the future? Are you guys seeing something I am not? I am not trying to get bogged down in pointless debate. I am very much trying to understand as I am very confused right now. I am not as aware in politics as many of the people here but I think I have grown a good deal. I am just really trying to understand not anger and offend.

The trial has shown the American people the evidence presented in a cogent, succinct, and visceral way in the video presentations and arguments of the impressive House managers. I mean even the GOP senators and trumps own defense attorneys were complimenting them. In one place the evidence was gathered and presented to the public. Even alot of people that only watch Oan and Newsmax, or Fox it was aired mostly. Will that change their minds in midterms? Maybe maybe not.

But, in terms of history and following the constitution the Democrats showed that they tried to do what they were supposed to do. Trump is guilty we all know it. No President deserved impeachment more than he has. What President has presided over so much death and destruction in their term? What President has taken a figurative axe to so many vital institutions that keep democracy going than trump? Hes more an enemy of America than foreign adversaries we go to war with for decades. Putting the complicity of the GOP on showcase and fighting to put the people of America's interest on the line and getting him impeached is exactly what the framers wanted.

Democrats can and should be running on this issue along with all the positive work they have done actually governing under Biden. Show these clips in campaign ads and the GOP who ignored it. Now will it reach everyone? No. Trump supporters don't care thats why the GOP is scared of their own party.

But, there are alot of people in the middle that voted for Biden and flipped Georgia and Arizona who will care now and possibly in the future. They are important. Showing them that there is a difference when GOP get in power. They always **** everything up. And Democrats always have to come in and fix it.