All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Dalak]

So, we have actual video of actual Russian soldiers shooting actual Ukranian civilians, but they're nazis, so it's okay?

To this propagandist troll? Yes.

If anyone does it but Putin expect to see complaints, smears, and such against them but not pretty petty Putin when he goes after sovereign states formerly recognized by Russia.

[babyblob]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ategory=foryou

I'm sure they were 'ukronazis' though, right?

But hey according to Russian trolls and Putin there is no evidence of Russia targeting and Killing Ukraine Civilians. I have even heard people talking about how destroyed buildings were done by the Ukraine people themselves to make Russia look bad.

[Tendrin]

To this propagandist troll? Yes.

If anyone does it but Putin expect to see complaints, smears, and such against them but not pretty petty Putin when he goes after sovereign states formerly recognized by Russia.

At around 11:00 on 17 March, Yuriy and his father, Ruslan, were cycling to Bucha's administration building where aid was being handed out. Electricity, gas and water had been cut, and essentials were in short supply in the town, one of the first to be occupied by Russian forces as they advanced on Ukraine's capital Kyiv.

Yuriy and his father hoped to pick up some medicine and food. Yuriy said a Russian soldier stopped him and his father on Tarasivska St. They immediately raised their hands.

Speaking to the BBC by phone alongside his mother, Alla, the 14-year-old gave his account of what happened next. "We told them that we weren't carrying any weapons and that we didn't pose any danger," he said.

"Then my father turned his head my way, and that's when he got shot… He was shot twice in the chest, right where the heart is. Then he fell."

At that point, the teenager said, the soldier shot him in his left hand and he fell too. While he was on the ground, he said, he was shot again, this time in the arm.

I'm sure they were nazis too, though.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60989121

[babyblob]

And the thing with the GOP and the "We want Parents to decide what is taught in schools." is really BS and just a cover to avoid teaching black history and the facts about Slavery. Like I posted last week one of our local schools who have been having a Diversity day for the last 3 years had it canceled this year. They are still dragging their feet and refusing to reschedule it even though a majority of parents in the school district want it as do the students.

So it boils down to "We want the parents to decide as long as they dont want things like a Diversity Day in their school."

[Tendrin]

But hey according to Russian trolls and Putin there is no evidence of Russia targeting and Killing Ukraine Civilians. I have even heard people talking about how destroyed buildings were done by the Ukraine people themselves to make Russia look bad.

Yeah, Ozy already suggested that that 'azov', when they miss with their own artillery shells, runs out ahead of their own lines to photograph the damage to make sure they can make Russia look bad for it. The absurdities you are required to believe to support Russia in these things becoming increasingly obvious.

Meanwhile, Bellingcat, a Netherlands based investigative journalist outfit that uses open-source intelligence, identified Russian artillery attacking Ukraine from its own territory on numerous occasions as far as back 2014, in the run up to the Russian-backed separatists shooting down a passenger jet.

https://www.bellingcat.com/app/uploa...mbargoNote.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellin...astern_Ukraine

In a press conference, Russian officials said Ukrainian forces had destroyed the flight and presented radar data, expert testimony and a satellite image. The radar data that showed another aircraft in the vicinity of MH17 was debunked as falling debris from MH17 by experts. A man claiming to be a Spanish air traffic controller in Kyiv stated in interviews that two Ukrainian fighter jets followed the Malaysian plane. The Spanish embassy later said that there was no Spanish air traffic controller at either of Kyiv's airports. The satellite image showed an aircraft firing on the airliner but Bellingcat exposed the photo as a composite of Google images, with the Malaysian airline logo even being misplaced.[45]

On 9 November 2014, the Bellingcat MH17 investigation team published a report titled "MH17: Source of the Separatists' Buk". Based on evidence from open sources, primarily social media, the report links a Buk missile launcher that was filmed and photographed in eastern Ukraine on 17 July to the downing of the MH17 flight. The report, which included photographs and maps, details the movements of the Buk in eastern Ukraine on 17 July, evidence that the Buk originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Rocket Brigade in Kursk, Russia, along with a convoy headed towards the Ukrainian border, and the activity of the vehicles seen in the same convoy after 17 July.[46] The Dutch-led international joint investigation team later made similar findings. The head of the Netherlands' National Crime Squad said they officially concluded that the missile that shot down MH17 "is from the 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade from Kursk in the Russian Federation".[47]

In June 2015, Bellingcat published evidence that Russia had used Adobe Photoshop to manipulate satellite images of the MH17 disaster. Image forensics expert Jens Kriese of Germany said that Bellingcat's report used invalid methods to reach its conclusion.[48] In a follow-up report, Bellingcat published crowdfunded satellite imagery and further analysis that supported their claim.[49]

[Dalak]

I'm sure they were nazis too, though.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60989121

Nazi's trying to leach welfare from sweet Papa Putin I'm sure. /s

And the thing with the GOP and the "We want Parents to decide what is taught in schools." is really BS and just a cover to avoid teaching black history and the facts about Slavery. Like I posted last week one of our local schools who have been having a Diversity day for the last 3 years had it canceled this year. They are still dragging their feet and refusing to reschedule it even though a majority of parents in the school district want it as do the students.

So it boils down to "We want the parents to decide as long as they dont want things like a Diversity Day in their school."

It's easier to ignore this and claim that the Dems are getting everything they want taught. Ignoring facts to endlessly parrot ideology is still In for conservatives this season.

[Ozymandias]

So, we have actual video of actual Russian soldiers shooting actual Ukranian civilians, but they're nazis, so it's okay?

Minutes and seconds, in the video, where we see "Russian soldiers shooting actual Ukranian civilians"?

[Ozymandias]

But hey according to Russian trolls and Putin there is no evidence of Russia targeting and Killing Ukraine Civilians. I have even heard people talking about how destroyed buildings were done by the Ukraine people themselves to make Russia look bad.

I wouldn't call Uronazis "people", but yes, many Mariupol residents tell how they would hole up in their homes, fight from there, then torching them when leaving, if they had the time. Most of the damage seen, it's from fires, not shelling.

[Tendrin]

I wouldn't call Uronazis "people",

Well, we can see how into the language of justifying genocide you are now with how cavalier you are with the label especially.

[Dalak]

Well, we can see how into the language of justifying genocide you are now with how cavalier you are with the label especially.

Dehumanizing people, excusing mass violence, jokes about nukes that will set off WW3 . . . par for the course.

[babyblob]

Im guessing all the Ukraine Civilians that were shot and killed were also done by other Ukraine Civilians, and the school that was bombed, the train station those were bombed by the Ukraine Army, and the woman raped as has been reported that was the Ukraine civilians as well. The only people the Russians killed are soldiers, and the only things their missles and bombs hit were military building and vehicles.

[Dalak]

Im guessing all the Ukraine Civilians that were shot and killed were also done by other Ukraine Civilians, and the school that was bombed, the train station those were bombed by the Ukraine Army, and the woman raped as has been reported that was the Ukraine civilians as well. The only people the Russians killed are soldiers, and the only things their missles and bombs hit were military building and vehicles.

Don't forget attacking Chernobyl, that's something people who live right there would do just to spite Putin so they'd have to live with more nuclear danger in their lives.

[Ozymandias]

I'm sure they were nazis too, though.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60989121

With all the reporters who went to Bucha, and they had to conduct this interview on the phone? Also, "the Russians were killing everyone in the territories under their control"? Satellite images show up to 7 bodies, for the whole time the Russians were there, and when Ukrainian troops entered the village, they described the corpses as those of soldiers. Add to that, people leaving the area by bus on April 2nd, made no mention at all of anything remotely resemblant, they complained about some "ass" stealing their phone, though. The major apparently was equally oblivious to all this, when he recorded his message on March 31.



Believe what you will.

[Tami]

Trump sells D.C. hotel lease to Miami investment group

Donald Trump is leaving Pennsylvania Avenue again.

The Trump name at the former president’s D.C. hotel — on facade signs, linens, bar napkins and coasters — is set to be removed after the sale of his government lease for the property to CGI Merchant Group for a record-setting $375 million.

Miami-based CGI Merchant is partnering with Hilton to turn the Pennsylvania Avenue property into a Waldorf Astoria hotel, ending a more than five-year run in which the hotel became a power center in Trump’s Washington and a symbol of how he mixed business and politics like no other president in history.

[Ozymandias]

Im guessing all the Ukraine Civilians that were shot and killed were also done by other Ukraine Civilians, and the school that was bombed, the train station those were bombed by the Ukraine Army, and the woman raped as has been reported that was the Ukraine civilians as well. The only people the Russians killed are soldiers, and the only things their missles and bombs hit were military building and vehicles.

More precisely, military targets. You can have a military target in a hospital or school, that's on the "defending army" setting up shop there.

So far, in almost 3 months of "war", I've seen a total of 1 civilian shot (not killed) by a Russian soldier.

BTW, Ukronazis aren't civilians, and they're only Ukrainians by accident of birth. They're Nazis by choice though. Don't taint the rest of the Ukrainians with their crimes.