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    Here's the obvious issue...

    https://help.unhcr.org/usa/applying-...hat-is-asylum/

    Persecution can be harm or threats of harm to you or your family or to people similar to you. A person can also obtain asylum if he or she has suffered persecution in his or her country in the past.

    You only can win asylum if at least one of the reasons someone harmed or may harm you is because of your race, religion, nationality, political opinion (or a political opinion someone thinks you have), or the fact that you are part of a “particular social group.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    By these standards and all the white nationalists who the Trump administration allowed to get jobs as goons within ICE... every immigrant is a potential target based on their race.
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    While there is the obvious element that someone can point to, and say "That's my reason right there..."?

    There is no mention of plain old "Act Of God..." anywhere in there. Plenty of folks with a perfectly valid need, but asylum wasn't really created with that displacement in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    By these standards and all the white nationalists who the Trump administration allowed to get jobs as goons within ICE... every immigrant is a potential target based on their race.
    You do realize that it is pretty clearly...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum..._United_States

    Asylum has two basic requirements. First, asylum applicants must establish that they fear persecution in their home country
    Right?

    From the looks of it, you are on some completely unrelated tangent.

    Asylum law is fundamentally about the country the person is coming from. Flawed as it is, US enforcement arms are a non-issue.

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    Never mind that said tangent is seemingly looking for asylum to be provided by the folks that are actively taking part in the persecution?

    Which would make right around "Zero..." sense.

    Serious tail chase there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    The reason nobody is stating any exact limits is because immigration quotas are silly and arbitrary. In terms of broader targets, given that our natural population growth rate is slowing and will likely turn negative soon, we should aim for at least 3-5 million new arrivals per year try and stabilize our population trajectory at a 1% growth rate at minimum. Of course, these new immigrants should be fast tracked to citizenship and strategically settled in swing states in order to dilute the Bubba vote as much as possible.
    Don’t separate immigration targets make sense for different countries?

    Take a high level comparison of UK and US. UK is comparatively more crowded, has a bigger welfare net for citizens, and fewer natural resources. (The welfare net is particularly pertinent because at some point services like housing, education and health become overwhelmed.)

    If aim of immigration is to benefit existing citizens RATHER than help rest of world then there’s no obvious reason why the two countries should pursue similar immigration policies. (And isn’t that the aim??)

    But certainly even UK should aim for substantial immigration…targeting areas where we have skill shortages…and given US’s different circumstances, surprised the general mood isn’t “let’s increase it a bit”.

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    Whether or not I missed one detail in that law...

    You didn't deny that the Trump administration allowed white nationalists to infiltrate ICE, and you seem to have no problem with that.

    Damning indictment of yourself, #30. Thanks for illustrating where your focus is for the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WestPhillyPunisher View Post
    To be honest, I'm surprised Biden didn't Executive Order Space Force out of existence because it's been a farce and the butt of jokes from day one. And those uniforms....Christ on a crutch! Whoever the designer was must literally be laughing all the way to the bank after conning the government into okaying those ugly things. Sheesh!
    What is their “mission statement”?

    Fighting Martians? Or fighting the dreaded Chinese for control of the moon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by worstblogever View Post
    Whether or not I missed one detail in that law...

    You didn't deny that the Trump administration allowed white nationalists to infiltrate ICE
    , and you seem to have no problem with that.

    Damning indictment of yourself, #30. Thanks for illustrating where your focus is for the forum.
    For starters...

    There is no "Whether or not..."

    Asylum law is, at it's very core, about the threat that any given asylum seeker faces in their own country.

    That is not a "Detail..." It is like saying that having caused someone to lose their life is a "Detail..." in a murder charge.

    As for what is in blue?

    Why would I bother with addressing a tangent that has right around "Zero..." to do with actual asylum law?

    As for what is in green, that I decided not to address a non-issue actually has nothing to do with my personal view on it.

    More what someone seems to want to read in than anything that actually was taking place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tami View Post
    It's not the number, it's the process.

    In my opinion, if immigration could be streamlined, simplified, and made easier to access then we might have less issues.

    Having people huddled under a bridge isn't good.

    Having people able to get visas or the right documentation before they reach the US border, or something that speeds up the process ....

    People shouldn't have to swim across the rio grande, or huddle in make shift camps with little food or necessities.

    People should know ahead of time if they are even eligible to immigrate to the US before leaving, and if not the US there should be other countries they can go to

    There has to be a better way. And if we can figure it out here in the US, then maybe we can help other countries dealing with similar situations figure it out.
    The reason people make these perilous journeys is because they know that, if they were to apply through the proper channels, they would almost certainly be turned away. Their best chance of getting in is simply to show up and hope that somebody will take pity on them and let them stick around long enough to drop off the radar. Under no circumstances will they simply stop coming here, the push factors are just too strong, and there aren't really isn't anywhere else for them to go, since other countries in Latin America or the Caribbean are just as hard for them to get to, but offer little in the way of jobs or quality of life. This problem is not going to go away anytime soon, and there isn't some quick solution that will fix the optics without addressing the underlying problems. There's only one way to make this problem go away, and that is to just let them in, screw what the GOP might have to say about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PwrdOn View Post
    The reason people make these perilous journeys is because they know that, if they were to apply through the proper channels, they would almost certainly be turned away. Their best chance of getting in is simply to show up and hope that somebody will take pity on them and let them stick around long enough to drop off the radar. Under no circumstances will they simply stop coming here, the push factors are just too strong, and there aren't really isn't anywhere else for them to go, since other countries in Latin America or the Caribbean are just as hard for them to get to, but offer little in the way of jobs or quality of life. This problem is not going to go away anytime soon, and there isn't some quick solution that will fix the optics without addressing the underlying problems. There's only one way to make this problem go away, and that is to just let them in, screw what the GOP might have to say about it.
    While I would guess that is the case in most instances?

    Over the last year, I have seen a small number of folks interviewed say that they would not have undertaken the trip they just made if they had a better understanding of that most folks will be denied asylum.

    As for "The only way..."?

    Politely disagree.

    Just the US even slightly reducing the chaos that it creates simply by being the US?

    That could go a long ways towards addressing this problem.

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    While this guy is still most likely a blockhead, it is good to see that he could seemingly beat this thing.

    https://wausaupilotandreview.com/202...fter-covid-19/

    Wisconsin lawmaker Jacque out of hospital after COVID-19

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    Also heard that Jesse Jackson was actually released from the rehab facility he was in on local news radio yesterday. Accounting for the fact that the man has Parkinson's in addition to having caught Covid, this was really good to hear.

    https://abc7chicago.com/jesse-jackso...ital/11037982/

    Rev. Jesse Jackson leaves rehab facility after COVID-19 battle: 'The shot took me from death'

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    Worth taking note of...

    https://variety.com/2021/artisans/ne...ks-1235071218/

    IATSE Members Brace for Possible Strike: ‘There’s No Logical Reason to Work Crews to Death’

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    What is their “mission statement”?

    Fighting Martians? Or fighting the dreaded Chinese for control of the moon?
    Damned if I know. I'm not sure they have one.
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