All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Mister Mets]

The founders had no context for an ideology that wouldn't be "religion" so there is merit in expanding the idea to "beliefs" being understood as protected by Natural Rights.

Pretty sure they had an understanding of monarchies, federalists and other ideologies.

[Tendrin]

The idea that the founders had no context for an ideology that wouldn't be religion has to be one of the straight up dumbest sentences uttered in this thread.

[Catlady in training]

I fully respect your opinion and we'll agree to disagree, because I don't think the entire party is one way. The infrastructure bill passed 69-30, showing that bipartisanship is possible.

I'm surrounded by a lot of Cuban-Americans and they are firmly against socialist policies. And that's because, according to them, they saw where they can lead and suffered greatly because of them. Same goes for a lot of Venezuelans, Ecuadorians, and Brazilians. I think understanding that history is important rather than lumping them in as cultists. Quite the contrary actually, considering the state of the nations they came from.

This is a good article highlighting some of NJ Hispanic voters' concerns a month before the election.
https://www.nj.com/politics/2020/10/...nequality.html

“Here in New Jersey we don’t see a candidate campaign targeting the Latino community," said Mirian Aguilar, a resident of New Brunswick. "The issue of immigration, which has always been important, was not even mentioned in the presidential or vice presidential debate. They have talked a lot about COVID, which has strongly affected us Latinos, but they do not say anything about specific help for people who do not have the luxury of working from home.”

For Jei Mota, who resides in Edison, the pandemic is one of the main issues of the election campaign. However, he regrets that the candidates do not propose concrete measures to help people who cannot pay the cost of the treatments, nor aid for those who have not been able to pay the rent on their houses or who lost their jobs and now cannot afford to feed to their families.

“This is an important issue for the voters. But beyond the precautions to avoid the infection, not much has been said on how the problems that the pandemic has already created will be solved. There are no clear proposals,” said Mota. “This must be taken into account when voting.”

I'm kind of confused here. Do they want help from government regarding healthcare and other social benefits or not? Because it seems to me that on one hand, every social policy like universal healthcare or free education gets dismissed as "socialist", and is seen like one step before a communist regime like in China or Venezuela. On the other hand, they blame the government for not providing them with proper healthcare and financial help. Those two lines of thinking are opposing each other.

[ed2962]

Let's not kink-shame Tucker Carlson.

Same Tucker Carlson who a year and half ago was "outraged" over the sexuality in Cardi B's WAP song is now "upset" over candy mascot being not sexy enuff. So I guess the lesson here is that sexy people are bad but sexy cartoon candy characters are good.

[Gray Lensman]

The idea that the founders had no context for an ideology that wouldn't be religion has to be one of the straight up dumbest sentences uttered in this thread.

Especially considering that many of the were Deists, which has been described as Athiesm-lite.

The American founding fathers had their intellectual roots in the Enlightenment, a movement that came about as a result of the 30 Years War - started over some king deciding that everyone should convert to his faith when previous ones only demanded lip service at most.

[Gray Lensman]

I'm kind of confused here. Do they want help from government regarding healthcare and other social benefits or not? Because it seems to me that on one hand, every social policy like universal healthcare or free education gets dismissed as "socialist", and is seen like one step before a communist regime like in China or Venezuela. On the other hand, they blame the government for not providing them with proper healthcare and financial help. Those two lines of thinking are opposing each other.

Hispanic voters aren't a monolith. Many other ethnic groups in the US have a shared history that helps tie them together across lines of national (or tribal) origins, but I am not aware of anything like that for Hispanic Americans (of course, that is the view of a semi-educated white person whose best attribute here is a willingness to accept that he doesn’t know and learn from those who do - just so long as those trying to correct me don't confuse insults for teaching).

[BeastieRunner]

Hispanic voters aren't a monolith. Many other ethnic groups in the US have a shared history that helps tie them together across lines of national (or tribal) origins, but I am not aware of anything like that for Hispanic Americans (of course, that is the view of a semi-educated white person whose best attribute here is a willingness to accept that he doesn’t know and learn from those who do - just so long as those trying to correct me don't confuse insults for teaching).

The Cuban American vote was split as was many others in both 2016 and 2020 the people assumed voted in lock step.

It is not just any one voting bloc ...

[Xheight]

Pretty sure they had an understanding of monarchies, federalists and other ideologies.

Monarchy was the established system and it is Democracy that was the new belief which they would have been too close to think of as an ideology. Federalism came later where things like Publius were just a POV on ideas around Democracy which in turn was an extension of philosophy. The name The Federalist Papers emerged in the 20th century. By time we get to parties the Constitution was already in place. Communism, Socialism, Anarchism...later developments

"Ideology: a systematic body of concepts about human life or culture; the integrated assertions, theories that constitute a sociopolitical programme."

[Gray Lensman]

The Cuban American vote was split as was many others in both 2016 and 2020 the people assumed voted in lock step.

It is not just any one voting bloc ...

True, but it seems like Hispanic voters especially seem to confuse people that way. There are a couple dozen countries where they trace their roots to, each with its own unique history that is remembered, in addition to the generational differences that all groups have. Basically, the word "Hispanic" covers a continent and a half, you don't get a monolithic voting bloc out of that no matter how you look at things.

[JB]

I'm kind of confused here. Do they want help from government regarding healthcare and other social benefits or not? Because it seems to me that on one hand, every social policy like universal healthcare or free education gets dismissed as "socialist", and is seen like one step before a communist regime like in China or Venezuela. On the other hand, they blame the government for not providing them with proper healthcare and financial help. Those two lines of thinking are opposing each other.

Hispanic voters aren't a monolith. Many other ethnic groups in the US have a shared history that helps tie them together across lines of national (or tribal) origins, but I am not aware of anything like that for Hispanic Americans (of course, that is the view of a semi-educated white person whose best attribute here is a willingness to accept that he doesn’t know and learn from those who do - just so long as those trying to correct me don't confuse insults for teaching).

Perfectly said.
Many that come from countries with a history of large government control, or even military-controlled government, are very vocal about being against socialism. South Florida has a lot of residents with this view.

I posted the article about NJ in response to the radio ads that were mentioned (which are indeed a problem). They weren't necessarily asking for bigger government, but more of a focused response to their community regarding covid. A large portion of the Hispanic population in NJ work in construction and hospitality so "working from home" wasn't an available option during lockdowns. From what the quoted individuals were saying, they felt they fell through the cracks.
As others mentioned, more outreach to the community is important and will help politicians understand the various views, stances, and needs. Because as Gray Lensman said, Hispanic voters are not a monolith.

[Xheight]

True, but it seems like Hispanic voters especially seem to confuse people that way. There are a couple dozen countries where they trace their roots to, each with its own unique history that is remembered, in addition to the generational differences that all groups have. Basically, the word "Hispanic" covers a continent and a half, you don't get a monolithic voting bloc out of that no matter how you look at things.

Yet we have that expectation of the US of A. Why is our Nation so divided yadda yadda. Small political units may be what we really need.

[seismic-2]

The founders had no context for an ideology that wouldn't be "religion" so there is merit in expanding the idea to "beliefs" being understood as protected by Natural Rights.

There have been a large number of competing schools of philosophical belief since the time of the ancient Greeks, and all well-educated Americans at the time of the Revolution would have been quite familiar with many of them. The founders certainly had plenty of context for incorporating both existing and new ideologies, religious and otherwise.

[Zauriel]

Do you have the grades that the Green Party has given other Democratic Presidents while they were in office, because to me it is hard to imagine them giving anything other than 'F'. Yeah, the Biden Presidency has been somewhat disappointing, but still miles ahead of Trump. Better to be stagnant than moving backwards. I'd give Biden a D+, I think.

Yeah i agree President Biden did some good things but he is not doing enough as he promised.

the voters (excluding me who didn't vote for him) traded a bad president for another bad president. At least they didn't trade a bad president for a worse one.

[babyblob]

I love how Trumpers and the GOP are losing their minds over Biden insulting that reporter for Fox News. I am laughing so hard at how when Trump did it it was okay because they were mean to him. But Biden is being a bully for no reason. And that is not okay!

[Mister Mets]

I love how Trumpers and the GOP are losing their minds over Biden insulting that reporter for Fox News. I am laughing so hard at how when Trump did it it was okay because they were mean to him. But Biden is being a bully for no reason. And that is not okay!

There is some hypocrisy in the media treatment of it, with the idea that it's not treated the same way a similar statement by Trump would be treated.

Doocy had a funny response to this. "Nobody has fact checked him yet and says it's not true."

https://twitter.com/AlexThomp/status...47212600713219

The comment itself wasn't that serious. It humanizes the president, and shows his awareness of what's going on.

At the end of a Biden photo op, when reporters shouted Q's hoping he'd respond, Fox's Peter Doocy asked, "Do you think inflation is a political liability in the midterms?" Biden deadpanned: "It's a great asset—more inflation. What a stupid son of a bitch."