All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[numberthirty]

I honestly can't think of anything besides putting Michelle Obama on the ticket that would super charge Black turn out. lol There rarely is a simple trick with constituencies of any type.

Dave Chappelle/Chris Rock...

Maybe.

[Tendrin]

Sure, but maybe its time to rethink what kind of politician would be the best on the national stage, the Dems have been on the backfoot since 2016, perhaps its time to change tactics.



Trump did better with the black community this time.

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/215379...ers-exit-polls

Time to change the playbook.

That's based on exit polling, which is going to be extremely distorted by the nature of this election. The reality is he's winning *Georgia*.

[The Overlord]

It definitely is. The left needs to run candidates who don't do things like alienate the Black voting bloc, self own themselves by attaching themselves to left wing dictators by choice, implode when they're the front runner, deliberately aim for a 30% ceiling to win the Democratic primaries and have people like Briahna Joy Gray as their press secretary.

Again, Trump did better with the black community this time:

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/215379...ers-exit-polls

When you do not challenge someone like Trump on economic populism, you cede half the battle to him.

[Mecegirl]

Sure, but maybe its time to rethink what kind of politician would be the best on the national stage, the Dems have been on the backfoot since 2016, perhaps its time to change tactics.

I'm not saying that is isn't time to change tactics. I'm saying the primary is where the candidates make the argument that their tactics would work the best. And Bernie wasn't able to do that. Again and again the blame for that is put on the establishment, but Bernie lost the popular primary vote as well. So folks can say the DNC steamrolled him all they want, regular voters that pay attention to politics preferred Clinton over him. And then Biden over him. No one was twisting these voter's arm. Hell, I voted for Warren in the primary this go round and I live in Georgia. Warren had already dropped out of the race by the time I was able to vote.

Now I don't remember who was in charge of Bernie's messaging team. And I don't know what discussions Warren and Bernie might have had in public. But whatever he did to try and create cross over Warren/Sanders support it didn't work too well.

Maybe a future progressive presidential candidate will win a presidential primary. Time will tell.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Sure, but maybe its time to rethink what kind of politician would be the best on the national stage, the Dems have been on the backfoot since 2016, perhaps its time to change tactics.

A) How is winning every single popular vote from 2008-2020 being on the backfoot on the "national stage" (which is the same thing as popular vote btw)? I honestly don't understand that.

B) Why would the Dems need to rethink "kind of politician" after they score a victory in 2020? I mean the message with Biden is that Obama > Bill Clinton in terms of lasting legacy.

Trump did better with the black community this time.

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/215379...ers-exit-polls

This myth about Trump's POC support and so on is starting to sound like the "white working class" thing from 2016 when Trump won overwhelmingly from white voters across the spectrum especially suburban women (who ultimately broke for Biden this year).

Time to change the playbook.

I agree. It's time to change the playbooks of scapegoating and morality lessons.

Fact is the EC is a crapshoot, and I mean that literally. When you shoot craps the way it comes out is often random and doesn't follow any set pattern. The EC requires a kind of 5 Dimensional Craps strategy that triangulates a targeted voter base where you aim far enough that enough show up and you have to roll it just right. It's hard to draw real lessons from such a political strategy.

I mean the reason Biden did weak in Texas was because he didn't take time visit Latino communities at the border same as Hillary not visiting the Rust Belt and undercampaigning there. Hillary won those by huge margins in 2016, and to be fair Biden did win the majority of that, just that Trump did better than before and that tipped in his favor.

In Miami-Dade County, Biden lost the Cuban-American vote I think for vengeance over the Cuban Thaw by hardliners, and also because of fake news...but even then Biden did pretty well with non-Cuban Latinos and he won the majority of Miami.

[Tendrin]

Again, Trump did better with the black community this time:

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/215379...ers-exit-polls

When you do not challenge someone like Trump on economic populism, you cede half the battle to him.

Again: exit polling. That said, there is no disputing he did better with Cuban-Americans in Florida, and Latinos in south texas, but the 'whys' will take some time to dissect outside of the Cuban vote, which we all know is an anti-socialism, hard right vote.

[numberthirty]

A) How is winning every single popular vote from 2008-2020 being on the backfoot on the "national stage" (which is the same thing as popular vote btw)? I honestly don't understand that.

B) Why would the Dems need to rethink after they score a victory in 2020?

...

Unless they changed it this afternoon, the popular vote won't win you a can of chili beans(in a Presidential General Election...)

They also just blew a "Once In A Lifetime..." chance in the Congress.

They are on the backfoot.

[The Overlord]

Bernie is too old to run again, I would want someone who is younger with similar policies

[GindyPosts]

Again, Trump did better with the black community this time:

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/215379...ers-exit-polls

When you do not challenge someone like Trump on economic populism, you cede half the battle to him.

Yeah, but a good portion of those likely came from black men who view politics in general as "Both sides suck, so who gives a shit who I vote for?" I'm not discrediting everyone who votes for Trump (though you better have a damn good reason why you wanted to vote for him), but when a voting base is so nihilistic towards politics that they make assumptions without even bothering to read the basic assignment, it can allow the illusion of Republican progress in the black community to look like it's happening.

Again, I'm not saying every black voter who went with Trump voted on the account of apathy or ignorance (black Republicans DO exist), but I think next time, we should spend more time trying to improve things to where people will take a few moments to do homework.

[numberthirty]

I'm not saying that is isn't time to change tactics. I'm saying the primary is where the candidates make the argument that their tactics would work the best. And Bernie wasn't able to do that. Again and again the blame for that is put on the establishment, but Bernie lost the popular primary vote as well. So folks can say the DNC steamrolled him all they want, regular voters that pay attention to politics preferred Clinton over him. And then Biden over him. No one was twisting these voter's arm. Hell, I voted for Warren in the primary this go round and I live in Georgia. Warren had already dropped out of the race by the time I was able to vote.

Now I don't remember who was in charge of Bernie's messaging team. And I don't know what discussions Warren and Bernie might have had in public. But whatever he did to try and create cross over Warren/Sanders support it didn't work too well.

Maybe a future progressive presidential candidate will win a presidential primary. Time will tell.

That's because he did right around "Zilch..."

If anything, he set out to antagonize them while vetting Republicans for cabinet slots.

[Kevinroc]

I'm not sure if anyone but Biden could have won this.

(Hot take: Maybe we should be more forgiving of Hillary too.)

[Tendrin]

I'm not sure if anyone but Biden could have won this.

(Hot take: Maybe we should be more forgiving of Hillary too.)

A take I think is fair.

[Mecegirl]

Again, Trump did better with the black community this time:

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/215379...ers-exit-polls

When you do not challenge someone like Trump on economic populism, you cede half the battle to him.

I mean I guess just making grand promises and then not doing anything real to fulfill them is economic populism? So is cutting taxes for the rich.

Not trying to speak for all Black people. Especially not Black men since I am a Black woman. But I have like, one part of my family that are pro Trump. An aunt(on my fathers side), her Husband, and her eldest son. Her daughters are not pro Trump.

It is primarily a religious thing the same way it can be with White voters. So anti abortion and being anti lgbt+. Which they bring up, but my fairly religious extended family don't buy into. My mom has given up trying to reason with my Aunt over why church and state are better of separate. They say he's good on the economy but can't explain why. They've brought up Hunter Biden from time to time, but once again can't really explain the problem. It's been interesting being on Facebook this year because the son has popped up on political posts done by me and my gaggle of cousins, trying to be edgy(dude's pushing 40 so its not cute). And we lovingly shut him down.

[Username taken]

I'm not sure if anyone but Biden could have won this.

(Hot take: Maybe we should be more forgiving of Hillary too.)

Exactly this.

It’s quite obvious that Trump is a monster of a candidate.

Biden getting 72=million+ votes to top Trump’s 68 million is no small feat.

We also shouldn’t downplay the fact that Democrats have gotten majority of the popular vote (outside of 2004) for decades now. The real question is that as society becomes increasingly urbanized the electoral college is going to be a massive problem.

[Username taken]

I mean I guess just making grand promises and then not doing anything real to fulfill them is economic populism? So is cutting taxes for the rich.

Not trying to speak for all Black people. Especially not Black men since I am a Black woman. But I have like, one part of my family that are pro Trump. An aunt(on my fathers side), her Husband, and her eldest son. Her daughters are not pro Trump.

It is primarily a religious thing the same way it can be with White voters. So anti abortion and being anti lgbt+. Which they bring up, but my fairly religious extended family don't buy into. My mom has given up trying to reason with my Aunt over why church and state are better of separate. They say he's good on the economy but can't explain why. They've brought up Hunter Biden from time to time, but once again can't really explain the problem. It's been interesting being on Facebook this year because the son has popped up on political posts done by me and my gaggle of cousins, trying to be edgy(dude's pushing 40 so its not cute). And we lovingly shut him down.

A lot of black voters are socially conservative. Unfortunately, the media tends to forget just how religious a lot of black people are and how a lot of black people vote Republican.

As a black person man (from a fairly multiracial background), I grew up socially conservative being quite religious and all that.It was until a little later that I started to understand the issues better. This isn’t an unusual position in the community and the media should really understand try to understand this. Yes, most black people vote Democrat but a huge number of black people arent “liberal”.

Trump getting a large number of black votes isn’t “totally” unusual. What needs questioning is why black Democrat support dropped.